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Hey guys!

Well i thought since i will be using the forums for at least a week , i would ask a bit more information here , i usually potter around guru3d forums for advice and help , but because that site generally trys to give you expensive advice i thought i would give the members here a go!

Heres my rig ive built/been upgrading for a few years:

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L
Memory: OCZ XTC Platinum 2GB DDR2 800mhz
PSU: 750W cheapy from dabs.com
GPU: Gigabyte GTS 450 1Gb
OS Windows xp sp2 32 bit
CPU 2.5Ghz E series dualcore

Ive been messing about the video cards mainly , i had a ati 4770 but swapped it out for nvidias new GTS 450 when it was released.

I wanted to get a significant performance boost on call of duty 4 , as someone who has played this game to a almost professional level , it is key to having the best performance out my of machine.

Key Issues:


1: Bullet Registration , having good bullet reg means the enemy will die on cue , if you aim at him , and fire your gun nothing should stop him from going down , but with bad bullet reg that happens , and that's usually caused between a mixture of the server provider and your fps , more often than not its your machine. Because my fps drops so drastically during gun fights , it causes me to lag and miss more , and what ever bullets do connect dont kill the person as they should , he takes less damage because your missing half of them due to the fps decrease.

2: Movement , Not being able to move due to the fps dropping is a big big no no , movement is key to being a great player , if you can move fast enough you can out do the other team and sneak behind them , but because the fps drops its hard to do it , you need 250fps constantly! to be able to move well.

3: Fps Plummets on some maps , some maps on the game are quiet high in resolution , and its only natural for a low to mid range machine like mine to feel the impact of the map , its a massive disadvantage , the screen goes jerky your grenades leave your hand a half second to late and so on.

Heres a small fps decrease:

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That tiny decrease in fps could of cost me the round , i have to dodge everything in the game that can cause my fps to plummet , like smoke grenades.

Now heres my question , what upgrades would give me the boost i need to be able to stabilize my fps , what could possibly help me keep it to that 250 mark :D

If you've managed to read it this far , go for a response :D If its idiotic i will tell you :D But i dont bite , much :D :laugh::laugh:
 
Bullet Registration, I've been gaming for years but never heard it called that :) . In any case most sensible developers now know to cap the FPS at 60, not just for hardware but also for client/server sync and prediction reasons (your eyes can't see faster than 60fps anyway).

If it's happening with FPS as high as 241 or 181 then the game is either poorly coded (e.g. P2P setup instead of dedicated servers) or your ISP is causing too much high latency (lag).

As a result I'm not convinced that a change in system hardware would solve the problem. So far as general upgrades go, well there are plenty of Socket LGA775 CPU's up to something like a Q9500 that can fit your motherboard. The E8400 or E8600 are probably best for gamers though.

I'd say that your RAM could do with a boost, something with lower latency might help and these days 4GB is seen as a minimum for gamers. The Corsair Dominator 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 XMS2 PC2-8500C5 is a nice bit of kit but I guess RAM is more of a luxury.
 
Bullet Registration, I've been gaming for years but never heard it called that :) . In any case most sensible developers now know to cap the FPS at 60, not just for hardware but also for client/server sync and prediction reasons (your eyes can't see faster than 60fps anyway).

If it's happening with FPS as high as 241 or 181 then the game is either poorly coded (e.g. P2P setup instead of dedicated servers) or your ISP is causing too much high latency (lag).

As a result I'm not convinced that a change in system hardware would solve the problem. So far as general upgrades go, well there are plenty of Socket LGA775 CPU's up to something like a Q9500 that can fit your motherboard. The E8400 or E8600 are probably best for gamers though.

I'd say that your RAM could do with a boost, something with lower latency might help and these days 4GB is seen as a minimum for gamers. The Corsair Dominator 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 XMS2 PC2-8500C5 is a nice bit of kit but I guess RAM is more of a luxury.

Hai there mark :D Imma bite ya head off now ^^ tehehehe :laugh::laugh:

The eye cant see past 60 fps but the game itself sure does, all professional esports gamers who go to lans all over Europe , have machines specifically set up so they can receive 250 frames per second , it helps with smoothness , completely cuts out lag , can make you jump further , and makes the game more playable.

I had this argument with another person , on the nivdia forums ....

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=81420&pid=462231&st=0&#entry462231

That thread was made in 2008 when the same guy said the same thing as you , the geeks on there went berserk at him lol

You wont find a single person there saying different.

You might be thinking of console game in all honesty , the xbox 360 and ps3 have about as much graphical power as a toaster , they both have the power a 7800gt , and all consoles are capped to use sync every frame , which cuts down the performance , you cant strafe on consoles neither.

Strafing requires a capped fps either 125 or 250 , to get onto certain walls and houses , the idea is the player moves his mouse away from the target stabilizing the fps and giving you that extra boost , hell there's even servers on cod 4 dedicated to doing these jumps :D

But you might have gotten one thing right , the fps issues will more than likely be latency related , either that or a piece of hardware could well be failing on in my rig , i will swap out my ram and get some crossH on Tuesday.
 
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Do you value your system? Replace that 750W PSU as soon as you can.

I'm currently running my pride and joy:

AMD Phenom II X4 955
4GB (2x2GB) Crucial DDR2 800MHz
DFI LanParty-DK 790FX-M2RS
EVGA GTX 460 768MB
XFX 650W XXX PSU
Coolermaster CM 690 II

You're moaning about bullet reg in Call of Duty 4? Try playing Black Ops mate. Someone with an MP5 will spray everywhere and kill you while you accurately shoot him with a different gun and yet somehow he comes out on top.
 
Do you value your system? Replace that 750W PSU as soon as you can.

I'm currently running my pride and joy:

AMD Phenom II X4 955
4GB (2x2GB) Crucial DDR2 800MHz
DFI LanParty-DK 790FX-M2RS
EVGA GTX 460 768MB
XFX 650W XXX PSU
Coolermaster CM 690 II

You're moaning about bullet reg in Call of Duty 4? Try playing Black Ops mate. Someone with an MP5 will spray everywhere and kill you while you accurately shoot him with a different gun and yet somehow he comes out on top.

Of course i value my system , ive used cheap psus for a while , and ive never ever ever ever had one blow up on me , ive gone threw 4 different BRANDED PSUS'S thats right BRANDED PSU'S , and all the cheap ones seem to work better.

And as for black ops , that game is full of morons , and the creators of it didnt either bother to fix the cpu issues / fps screw ups , till this day i can see people complaining to me about the issues as well as steam forums being populated with the problems.

And if hes spraying at you and your shooting at him threw your cross-hair , thats just your aim buddy lol
 
Of course i value my system , ive used cheap psus for a while , and ive never ever ever ever had one blow up on me , ive gone threw 4 different BRANDED PSUS'S thats right BRANDED PSU'S , and all the cheap ones seem to work better.

And as for black ops , that game is full of morons , and the creators of it didnt either bother to fix the cpu issues / fps screw ups , till this day i can see people complaining to me about the issues as well as steam forums being populated with the problems.

And if hes spraying at you and your shooting at him threw your cross-hair , thats just your aim buddy lol

I don't play Black Ops - played it for a few days and decided I wasn't even going to use it ever again.

Waiting on Battlefield 3. :D
 
I never needed Bullet Registration in BF: Bad Company 2, just use the noob tube :) .

Yeah you're right about 60fps being a hang over from the consoles, although it does have some merit. I guess it can also be said that no two game engines are alike and FPS as a measure is very rough.
 
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My thoughts.

Is your gfx set up correctly or are you buffering to system RAM??

More RAM for certain, I know you will only ever see 3-3.5GB, but 4GB is a big difference to 2GB these days., and it allows you to switch off the page file, speeding your system up a fair bit.
As does keeping the tat out of your "Windows" folder; A friend was keeping 8GB of photos on her "Desktop" and wondering why her PC was so slow.

Read up on "Branded" psu's and buy one from a company that makes their own, and doesnt just stick their badge on a POS from one of the cheap, unbranded manufacturers.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/page/power
 
Guys and Gals prepare to be dazzled , im going to be building my new rig over this coming month :D

Vengeance 4GB DDR3 1600MHz CL9 XMP
Coolermaster Elite 430 Black
CORSAIR TX650W 650 Watt PSU ATX
GIGABYTES GA-H55M-D2H LGA 1156 Intel H55 DDR3 mATX
Core i5-760 2.80GHz S1156 8MB
GTS 450 1gb X2

:)

Ordering the case tomorrow , it will take me ruffly a week to mod the case myself anyhow , totaling around 8 fans. 5 fans without me modding it.
 
You're better off with the core i5-2400 for gaming than the older i5-760.
 
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