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V21 Are Back.

V21 ARE BACK
BUT WHO ARE THEY?
looking at the terms and conditions are they the cowboys from Camberley?:eek:
www.v21.co.uk
I could not go through that again problem connections or was that net services way of saying you lot have exceeded your bandwidths.
It does state that any v21 customers before 21st March were biscIT's crumbs and nothing to do with the new company.

Take care with a look at the t&c's do not fall into traps with extortionate fees.

I am happy with my now isp madasafish and have found no fault as yet (4 months)(madasafish came out great on Watchdogs broadband survey.)
 
as far as l gather the new V21 is been ran by the old owners, basically re-branded under the same name, or at least that whats lm lead to believe.. all problems l know of were caused by biscit...

as for the watchdog stats altho they are quite interesting they dont reflect what they should do, they focused in completely the wrong areas.. a great example would be the fact AOL was around 65% but l cannot believe those stats reflected the crappy tech support who dont help.. hell even their top level tech support guys dont know what they are on about!! lmao l can run circles round em :D
 
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as far as l gather the new V21 is been ran by the old owners, basically re-branded under the same name, or at least that whats lm lead to believe.. all problems l know of were caused by biscit...

as for the watchdog stats altho they are quite interesting they dont reflect what they should do, they focused in completely the wrong areas.. a great example would be the fact AOL was around 65% but l cannot believe those stats reflected the crappy tech support who dont help.. hell even their top level tech support guys dont know what they are on about!! lmao l can run circles round em :D

When I was with AOL on dial up i kept getting disconnected, phoned tech support who said there was no problem, signed up with v21 dial up and had no disconnections - makes you wonder doesn't it.
 
"..and guess who designed the website...curiouser and curiouser"

Not really tracker. ESP1 which owns PRO 2K also owns the new v21 and ESP1 is owned by former directors of the old v21, one of them posts on these forums under the name of Kevin B.
 
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I would be very dubious if the design company is listed as dissolved at companies house isn't this something that isnt classed as legal. :shrug:
 
..and guess who designed the website...curiouser and curiouser:eek: :eek:
PRO 2K LTD
333 WATLING AVENUE
EDGWARE
HA8 0NF
Company No. 03690220
according to companies house has been dissolved...08/08/2006....fish anyone?

Dissolved 08/08/2006


kits,

ESP1 may have bought the assets of the design company and got it going again.

Doubt there was any assets left to sell would be interesting to know who was directors when it was dissolved and if there was any links to the present directors/ connections to the whole v21/biscit affair
 
Actually, we didn't buy the assets of any disolved companies: Pro2K isn't really ready yet but its a domain name I found was free that sounded good - the fact a company has traded with that name before is news to me :laugh:

Where did you see that V21 was designed by Pro2K though - thats not mentioned anywhere on the new V21 site at all. Its designed solely by Me - Paul Moody

Pro2K is going to be a hosting service that we are able to provide from ESP1 - nothing more and no affiliation with any other companies I'd never heard of before...
 
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As Paul has said Pro2k.net is a hosting service that we have been working on for a while. it's up and running and nearly complete. However until now I hadn't heard of the other company, it certainly has nothing to do with us.
 
........ Pro2K isn't really ready yet but its a domain name I found was free that sounded good - .......

ESP1 was 'born' 26/9/2006 ...(according to Companies House) right about the time that Biscit declared it had in fact bought out V21..then when the Netservices debacle hits the news (December) and Biscit tries and fails in its damage limitation Kevin, Steve D and K along with yourself who was "just doing a bit of web designing work " didn't you say something about that being unconnected with anything to do with anyone of the old 'V21' hierarchy?Whatever.....you all emerge as interested parties in web domains that were 'free at the time' (Pro2k) pro2k.net, pro2k.co.uk and pro2k.me.uk all registered on 27/12/2006 by Kevin B.

The super suspicious among us could be forgiven in thinking that with all the pies you all had fingers in during the V21 era and then when Biscit came along tempted by the smell of cooking (books perhaps?) you suckered them in and then removed your fingers from all the V21 pies and ran off with the plums still sticking to them. Later all the 'plums' were to be redistributed into another batch of 'pies' totally unrelated so as to avoid the glare of suspicion should accusations of foul play ever be raised.
Of course it may be just half baked suspicion on my part but my gut is telling me something is really wrong here...and my gut hardly ever lets me down finding where the bad smell is coming from ...and at the moment I seem to be standing downwind of the old V21 'crew' ....:laugh:
 
Don't know whether you're being over suspicious or into conspirency theories (?!) but it is my understanding that those you say had sticky fingers in the pies namely the V21 directors didn't get the money from the Biscit take over so how do you work that one out then?

I was with V21 for a long time before the Biscit fiasco and was happy with what I got and suffeedthrough the Biscit shennanigans. To my mind giving the freedom of the doubt it may well have been that those who didn't get the money may have valued the V21 name. Don't know but I can't smll anything - and do hope I'm not proved wrong?!
 
Here was I thinking the Scots had good memories! HAH!
You should remember that Biscit ended up with an awful lot of debt (burst bandwidth charges from Netservices) courtesy of the deal struck with V21 ...Such a debt should've been spotted in Biscits' 'Due Diligence' reporting from their financial advisor's...strange it went unnoticed don't you think?
Now Biscit has been wound up ...what of that debt.... it vanishes...and the ones who ran it up in the first place? Could they be the ones now setting up anew with a clean slate? Such is the way of business today...rack up the debt flog the business as a going concern to some patsy and let them take the fall, meanwhile start over under a new name.

Speculation or fact...you decide.
 
Here was I thinking the Scots had good memories! HAH!
You should remember that Biscit ended up with an awful lot of debt (burst bandwidth charges from Netservices) courtesy of the deal struck with V21 ...Such a debt should've been spotted in Biscits' 'Due Diligence' reporting from their financial advisor's...strange it went unnoticed don't you think?

The "burst bandwidth" debt was spotted :-
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/talk/showthread.php?t=22727

Maybe there were some significant other debts that were not (for instance I note that the devious vat exempt training manual wheeze disappeared with the old company - maybe the tax man wasn't happy after all).
 
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as far as l gather the new V21 is been ran by the old owners, basically re-branded under the same name, or at least that whats lm lead to believe.. all problems l know of were caused by biscit...

Beggars belief that anyone would want to rebrand themselves as a company that was associated with the Biscit fiasco. Obviuosly the people who run ISP comapnies have very little intelligence.


ps
re madasafish...
as for the watchdog stats ....
They got good ratings in the Macworld review of ISPs as well (thought long an hard about whether to sign with them, BT, IDNET or Zen)
 
Beggars belief that anyone would want to rebrand themselves as a company that was associated with the Biscit fiasco. Obviuosly the people who run ISP comapnies have very little intelligence.

I expect a fair number of ex-customers will blame Biscit for all their woes and sign 'back' up with V21. The great thing about running visps is you can have as many brand names as you like, if someone takes a dislike to one they might still sign to another.

When BT pulled the plug on the ISP E1n for non-payment last year, there were a surprisingly large number of their customers in various forums saying E1n were a fanastic ISP and blaming BT for cutting them off, rather than E1n for not paying their suppliers. Some apparently even tried to sign back up with E1n before their other supplier pulled the plug too. And there are plenty of people around who will just sign up to the cheapest service they can find regardless - for instance after E7even demonstrated that £10 per month broadband was unsustainable lots of the ex-E7even customers went to E1n's £10 per month service - some people just never learn.
 
Hardly 'spotted' Mel...glossed over mayhap but no, not spotted until NS wanted payment...and IIRC they haven't yet been paid even though Biscit agreed to pay xxx amount per month until the debt was cleared...There was a lot of hot air from Paterson and crew about taking NS to court over the matter and crows of 'victory' when the court ruled in Biscits favour FOR THE RETURN OF DOMAIN NAMES TO BISCIT...strangely the little matter of burst bandwidth disappeared from the public eye....
 
Hardly 'spotted' Mel...glossed over mayhap but no, not spotted until NS wanted payment...and IIRC they haven't yet been paid even though Biscit agreed to pay xxx amount per month until the debt was cleared...There was a lot of hot air from Paterson and crew about taking NS to court over the matter and crows of 'victory' when the court ruled in Biscits favour FOR THE RETURN OF DOMAIN NAMES TO BISCIT

Biscit was informed by Netservices during the period of due diligence:-

Biscit's chief executive, Hugh Paterson, told ZDNet UK on Monday that he had been contacted by NetServices during the period of "due diligence" that occurred as part of Biscit's acquisition of V21, to say that Biscit could expect a "burst bandwidth" invoice for more than £200k of unpaid charges.

So Biscit was aware of that particular debt before the deal went through.


...strangely the little matter of burst bandwidth disappeared from the public eye....

No point throwing good money away in suing if you don't think the company has the cash to pay. V21 had what, 9.5 thousand customers with Netservices - That's what a debt of ~ £21 per customer. 1/4 of them were transfered from NS to another ISP that uses Tiscali I think - which seems strange if they didn't get any money for them, when they could have migrated them to a NS VISP instead :shrug:
 
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