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Vote - Blueyonder 2mb upload speeds

What would you prefer for a 2mb/fast line?

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Web browsing
...inc very large file downloads from web servers
multiplayer gaming
streaming video/audio
video conference
p2p/ftp
emails
updates of software, ie windows update
messenger chat and file transfer
 
I don't see how you constitute sending e-mail as being a massive usage of speed!

Yes, you may, on occasions, send large e-mails with a picture, but more often than not, an e-mail won't even reach 10K in size!

Also with Messenger! It requires around 1Mb of bandwidth to keep the client active!

Your suggestions are totally inappropriate and are not ecologicially valid. I'd say it was unlike a mundane situation.
 
I never said emails consitutes emails as massive usage of speed/capacity.
Sometimes (probably not you maybe) you may need to upload a 10mb file to a friend, which would take a while.

Online multiplayer gaming can use up atleast 2kb/s upload
Ive raraly seen a picture that is 10k in size (most are average 80kb) jpg format.
Zip files usualy anything from 10kb to 100mb.

Obviously you dont use...
streaming video/audio
video conference

My suggesions are ecologically valid for the multi-task computer or home network.

People that simply read newsgroups, news, emails, web browsing, msn messenger and basically dont do much else with the inet would not find my points ecological for their use.
Basically 512kbit download with 28kbit upload would suit you fine :)
 
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Well I'll tell you that I do both of those things. I never said I did not do them, so stop assuming.

However, since when did streaming content require a massive amount of upload?! It has never constituted such usage within the last four months with me and how I stream music videos.

Unless you are hammering a P2P system or uploading constantly all day, every day, then a greater upload speed would be uneconomical to the network.
 
Introducing 1 and 2mb download is uneconomical to the network too, like 512k isnt fast enough i guess.

Kyle have you ever downloaded a mp3 music file? you know the ones from a p2p network. If so i bet it was a while ago?
Dont get hogging the bandwidth up will you, your ISP tell you their infrastructure isnt capable of such high speeds which you say fair enough instead of complaining that it isnt good enough but instead your sticking up for your ISP's infrastructure to basically keep it the way it is.

People like me wanted ISDN when 56k dial up pay per min was the only thing available maxing up £250/month internet phone bills, while other countries had ISDN or broadband.
People like me demanded and wanted faster internet, and look at the speeds available now, they are just ok/good, nothing special unless your new to the internet and know little of how to use it to its potentiality in every aspect.

Upload has to get faster, a 10mbit download with 256kbit upload is quite emmm :rolleyes: and from the views of some people a 10mb/256k would be amazing. Obviously they havnt experienced why faster upload is necesseasry for max download.

A fat water pipe needs a fat outgoing/sewerage pipe, not a thin one.
 
I have very little doubt most of your transfer rate is most probably filled with illegal content, MP3s, Films, etc which always seems to be the case with most people who seem to be able to achieve such high download figures.

TBH you seem to have no idea about the real economics, etc involved.
 
Well i see the internet as a source of entertainment, its upto the supplier to make the customer happy whilst aiming to attract more customers.

For you the internet is like an electricity bill, dont abuse the current draw unless your willing to pay high costs for the usage whilst the substation down the road can only supply so much which lets face it wouldnt be a problem at all in that sense.

Economics is not the customers problem. What is the main attraction that the majority of the experienced internet users look for? its not customer service, or reliability, but price and fastest speed.

Of course, globally if everyone started using 10mbit donwload speeds, that data has to come from somewhere and no doubt those servers would literally be jammed to death. Eitherway someone has to pay for those faster upload servers.
 
Upload speeds should typically be 1/4 of the download speed. If they're not then the line isn't true 2mb as stated and this therefor is classed as false advertising. No one has complained about it yet, so nothing has been done. The way upload and download works calculates for packet loss.

512 - 128k
1024k - 256k
2048k - 512k
3072k - 768k

If Telewest get their act together and release 3mbit, you will see the upload similar to 768k (or 512k if they want to continue breaking the rules of bandwidth)
 
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I dont, but some people would argue that TW are expensive compared to some ADSL ISP's, and arnt the fastest.

If a DSL ISP starts offering faster speeds which cover TW franchises then they would lose alot of their 1 and 2mb customers.
So the economics isnt the customers problem, but the network provider competitions.
 
sparkatb said:
I dont, but some people would argue that TW are expensive compared to some ADSL ISP's, and arnt the fastest.

If a DSL ISP starts offering faster speeds which cover TW franchises then they would lose alot of their 1 and 2mb customers.
So the economics isnt the customers problem, but the network provider competitions.

I said generally which is still the truth and while some do offer lower prices and some offer the same high end speeds these services normally come with a lot of conditions attached and other limits. Companies like Bulldog:

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You have failed to comprehend what I've been saying and thus failing to understand what is most probably part of TWs business strategy, in fact its a common business strategy on a range of different products/services. If another DSL provider really starts affecting the higher end of the market, through price or speed, in a TW area then TW will react in one of two ways, or maybe even both. They could bring in faster services and/or bring down prices depending on the competition action...atm it doesn't need to change a thing.
 
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Yea i know.
TW as a business know what they are doing, they arnt like NTL that throw idea's and plans into the deep end.
TW admit their network can handle by far alot more customers than it currently has, they could probably offer 10mbit down with 1mbit up quite easily, but theres no point in doing that if no other ISP is offering anything much better/faster.
Thus considering their financial debt at the moment which stops TW offering anything better as its only obvious there would be quite alot of people wanting 10mb/1mb connection which can put a strain on the network given the high volume of customer uptake. If they didnt have such a debt, they would offer such a speed, possibly.
 
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I don't believe TW have a clue what they are doing. They ruined there share price 250 to 3p and are only in buisness because the bond holders and banks took over in a dept for equity swap. They have been slow to upgrade there infrastructure and provide all customers with digital services. I believe they are now dealing with Birmingham.

Seeing adverts for broadband and having your bill covered in "broadband" while seeing no such service only serves to rub it in.
They have made no attempt at providing an adsl service outside of there native area.Why? Everyone and there aunt seems to give it a try.

Repeatedly I called customer support/emailed to get any information about there upgrade schedule but nothing untill I quit. Then they phoned and offered free dial-up for me to stay telling me Preston would be sorted after Birmingham in 6 to 8 months. A bit late when my ADSL service was already up and running with BT.
 
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I did think that Preston had gone digital! They have a large infrastructure there and instantly thought that it had already been converted!
 
If Telewest havnt a clue what they are doing, then can you propose how they could do it better considering youd have no money to get it better.
To stay competitive in the market Telewest only need to upgrade like 2% of their franchised areas. Their infrastructure does the job fine.

Telewest (and NTL) were very rapid and fast in offering better services than BT and Sky. They were growing like a fast virus invasion, until they announced they were going to pay off their debts.

Oh how people wanted Cable all those years ago and how good it sounded. Now they have cable and theirs little money "at present" for their cable operator to upgrade their technology.

Funny how people REALLY loved TW/NTL when they were offering their technology, but now they have come to a point where they really need to pay off their debts, their so-called loyal customers abandon them and then start sla&&ing them off saying how bad they are, therefore Sky/BT are the better etc.

Wonder what will happen when both Cable Co's pay off their debts, they are doing quite well, regardless of however long its taking.
 
Do you think that if I don't pay my bill then telewest would considor as an act of loyalty not disconnecting me?

No!! I would be cut off and sent a summons!
So why should I give them money for an old service. If we all did that then we would have no innovation or improvement!

My gripe is about slow digital upgrades and no information.I should of been informed about network upgrades as I had registered an interest in the new broadband service and frequently checked the postcode checker. With information I could then make an informed decision on what to do.But they kept me in the dark so that the only light I could see was BT as BT release ADSL upgrade information and trigger levels for customers to find.
It's all very well being very rapid and fast in offering better services but the tortoise seems to be winning (BT).Telewest also have not offered any cheap always on services even though many customers would find this attractive, just look how popular NTL's 150k service is. Continuing to offer ever faster connections to fewer and fewer interested customers is not going to bring in the revenue to grow.

If they offer a sevice that I want then yes I will subscribe, but they don't. Others also are taking there money elsewhere.
This strikes me as poor buisness, as customer inertia will have to be overcome to gain them back.
Oh and losing your shareholders investment is bad buisness in anyones language. If you don't believe me,then I know of a good scheme you could invest in :smilet: Hence why I said they hadn't a clue.


Kyle some of Preston is digital but not all, it seems the original area's had a cheaper unit istalled as broadband was not the focus of there buisness strategy.
 
Do you think that if I don't pay my bill then telewest would considor as an act of loyalty not disconnecting me?
Yea but can you name any large company that would do different to TW? Its the same everywhere.

Yea i agree Telewests (Internet...) prices should be reduced considering how cheap ADSL ISPS are now offering 512k connections.
But as it is, Telewest's internet side of the business, with regards to service quality, customer support (well when you ring them asking for tech knowledge mainly), they are simply excellent.

Example;
ADSL offering £17/month for 512k.
- 50:1 contention says it all, you look at ALL posts from people using ADSL stating their speed test results from inet servers, they very rarely touch maximum of the 512k mark, if at all.

TW offering £25/month for 512k.
- 1:1 equivelant contention, you look at ALL posts from people using TW stating their speed test results from inet servers, i cant think of anyone with below the specified given speed (512k, 1mb, 2mb), i meen i got average of 2.2mb! (2mb-2.4mb)

The TW £30 512k without other TW service, is just a business strategy, which in all fairness is an ok thing to do.
That coupled with the strategy that TW provide ALL equipment for free to get online, free connection, installation charged either free or £10, or rarely £25.
Compared to ADSL services where "usually" you pay for all equipment, pay for a connection charge, pay for installation.

All in all, with priceing in mind, theres not alot of difference between the two.
I think if TW dropped their prices to match any ADSL providers services, ADSL ISPs would have no business what so ever at all in TW franchised areas.
TW (and NTL) at moment are only staying competitive while they pay off their debts.
Once those debts are cleared, well ;)
 
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