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Why 5G Sucks (Video)

The Wee Bear

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Just sharing a Mrwhosetheboss video about his 5G thoughts with you for your perusal folks.

The video is just under 10 minutes, so grab a cuppa and a couple of biccies.

Just thought it would be interesting to hear someone elses opinion of the current state of 5G.

Please feel free to say if you agree with what he's saying or not.

I think when 'proper' stand alone 5G arrives, we'll get on much better with it. :unsure:

That's all for now folks.:giggle:
 
I live in an apartment block, where Fibre is only provided by https://clearfibre.uk/. Their prices are too high for me so i chose mobile broadband. I have 5G from all the networks.

3 - high speeds during off peak hours but upload speed sometimes (during peak hours) drops below 2Mbps.
EE - speeds are low compared to 3 but it is stable and reliable.

I am happily sticking with Scancom EE sim for now.
 
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Just sharing a Mrwhosetheboss video about his 5G thoughts with you for your perusal folks.

The video is just under 10 minutes, so grab a cuppa and a couple of biccies.

Just thought it would be interesting to hear someone elses opinion of the current state of 5G.

Please feel free to say if you agree with what he's saying or not.

I think when 'proper' stand alone 5G arrives, we'll get on much better with it. :unsure:

That's all for now folks.:giggle:
I had already watched this. I subscribe to this guys channel and quite honestly I think he hasn’t done enough testing and research. He barely speaks about the benefits that 5G is offering currently instead of banging on about what was promised.

I noted he was standing next to a phase 8 monopole for a lot of his video and he speaks about not being able to get any more than 7mbit/s too. I genuinely wonder which mobile network he was testing and whether he tested 5G in more than one location and on more than one mobile network.

He’s speaking about paying £30 per month for unlimited data which leads me to believe he’s probably on Vodafone’s unlimited max plan maybe EE.

I like this guys videos but this is a huge miss for him in my opinion. He talks about problems we don’t have with 5G in this country.

He’s not seeing what we see on this forum. We have loads of different threads talking about how well the 5G networks are devoloping in this country and we see widespread improvements on all 4 major networks. Some more than others.
 
Yes, it's a make money channel and he left out a lot of detail, but the video does state what many of us have been saying for some time. Those lucky enough to be in range of a suitable mast are getting great speeds but many of us are getting no more than LTE+ and vast parts of the country are on basic 4G and even 3G (depending on network).

SIM contracts are rising, and this will impact the MVNOs on their next negotiation. Mobile broadband will not be allowed to undermine fixed just augment it.

However not all is lost my NR5103E is working well providing good LTE+ speeds on EE (on Three with SIM temporarily used elsewhere). My view is two good LTE modems load balanced are best currently and if using it for fixed don't spend too much until your mast is capable or FTTP comes your way.

By 2026 mobile data can return to moving about and backup for most of us.

Those swamping the FUP please think of others in the meantime.
 
As Meatball will know I was seduced by 5g Speed as I entered the world of mobile broadband. Someone yesterday reminded me of how little speed I personally need for a bit of iPlayer viewing and an (obsessive!) amount of web page reading. I ran my LTE Huawei monitor whilst I watched that video and this is what the chart looked like for the first minute or so.


Speed 31.10.22.webp


You can see it never hit thirty and my Vodafone speed is

Speed 31.10.22a.webp



I have rejected the idea of a dual sim router on the advice of the folk around here. But I am interested (still) in load balancing. A search on this forum struggles to find brand names but I did read of someone using a Draytek 2925 they had bought on eBay.

Huawei routers seem to be coming up quite fast on eBay as people move from them to Full Fibre. If I were to pick one up at a good price what would the gurus around here recommend as a value for money load balancer?
 
I think the thing here in this video is what 5G was marketed as, and what it really is.

I disagree with his statement that there is 'more power' in the higher frequencies. He also seems to mix up frequencies and bandwidth.

I don't agree that 5G was invented 'for IoT' and literally NOBODY said 'zero latency' because that's impossible.

Why is he paying more ? Because he couldn't be bothered to look around. I'm paying £3 a month for unlimited 5G at 500+ megabits.

5G IS ready. It's not 'ready' everywhere though. I'm more than happy with it.
I actually like this guy's videos, but it seems he's taken the most extreme marketing BS about 5G and proceeded as if that were supposed to be true. Most of his arguments are basically exaggerated, wrong. Either that or he usually swallows all marketing junk that gets sent his way, which I doubt, so his claims are odd.

Nobody needs the speed? ok, give him 5 megabits then and me the other 950megabits. He won't mind, because nobody needs it apparently.

Disappointed by this vid. His phone ones are usually spot on.
 
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This guy's testing 5G from Vodafone. All his phones show vodafone in the past videos, and this would also tie into him paying "£30 a month for a max speed plan". I'm going to be a Karen and pull him up on this. Vodafones 5G also seems very similar to the results hes getting. Had full Lebara 5G the other day and pulled about 6 meg.
 
Tony. For load balancing search the forum. As always it will depend on what average speeds you realistically will get, how much you want to spend and what else your expecting the router to perform.

I can only comment on what I use:
LTE modem plus phone - Speedify software
LTE modems - Edgerouter X ((can be faster with command line hardware off loading and switching off functionality )
LTE+ Modems -TP-link ER605

Not found a high end balancing router in my price range yet

Cheaper is failover. My new NR5103E behaves well as a backup and there is still the old Netgear 2120 for basic 4G.
 
Thanks Meatball. Annoyingly a search finds lots of references to load balancing but the Draytek is the only brand mentioned.

What do I expect it to perform? I guess picking the most efficient of the two sources. 'Efficient?' what do I mean? I presume the one offering the most speed at the time. But then even the worst performance from my choice of Voda/Three is still faster than I need to stream iPlayer or YouTube.

Fail over I can sort as I am always around. I can plug in my A22 or get another one-owner Huawei on eBay and have it standing by.

I guess I am chasing what I probably don't need.....

I'm waiting for someone to ask where this "£3 a month for unlimited 5G at 500+ megabits." is tucked away. Nobody has so I will.
 
I'm waiting for someone to ask where this "£3 a month for unlimited 5G at 500+ megabits." is tucked away. Nobody has so I will.

It was a business-only deal earlier this year, there was a thread about it here at the time. But there are still unlimited everything deals where you get cashback and have an effective cost of £6-8 a month. I can't see one right now, but check affordablemobiles or set an alert on hotukdeals for them, they do come up very often, there are a fair few users on here that have such a deal.

My point was more about the guy in the video moaning he's paid more for 5G, to me that sounds like he's been had. Most networks didn't charge extra for it. And there are tons of deals. Some involve cashback, but some don't.
 
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We just need more honesty and transparency. Without spending a fortune it's difficult to ascertain what is actually going on. After testing for 18 months plus using three different 5G phones I am none the wiser other than LTE+ (average DL/UP, resilience and reliability) is currently better than 5G NSA unless you are hugging the mast.

I'd still like answers to:
  • What network policies are being applied by providers on the various mast types
  • What are their actual rollout plans 4G and 5G (not press releases)
  • Are providers discriminating against certain devices or ones that are not supplied by them (some interesting results when swapping SIMs between 5G phones at low load times).
Giving 5G testing another rest before it affects my mental health.

Currently rummaging through my toy box and playing with load balanced Cat4s. Interesting, good.
 
We just need more honesty and transparency. Without spending a fortune it's difficult to ascertain what is actually going on. After testing for 18 months plus using three different 5G phones I am none the wiser other than LTE+ (average DL/UP, resilience and reliability) is currently better than 5G NSA unless you are hugging the mast.

I'd still like answers to:
  • What network policies are being applied by providers on the various mast types
  • What are their actual rollout plans 4G and 5G (not press releases)
  • Are providers discriminating against certain devices or ones that are not supplied by them (some interesting results when swapping SIMs between 5G phones at low load times).
Giving 5G testing another rest before it affects my mental health.

Currently rummaging through my toy box and playing with load balanced Cat4s. Interesting, good.
I'm sure you'll realise that items 1 and 2 are confidential/business sensitive and won't get a detailed 'official' answer, item 3 could depend on the device and what carrier settings have been baked into the software
 
Yep, I know like a lot of things its more about politics and making money rather than elegant engineering.

The difficulty is that for 5G I can't give myself advice let alone anybody else.
 
When you think about it using cellphone technology as a means of pumping terrabytes of data into cloud storeage cannot be good husbandry of resources.

As a newcomer to the world of mobile broadband I am staggered at how my download speeds vary from six in the morning to six in the evening. This is not a resilient service I fear we may be seeing it at its hay day!
 
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As Meatball will know I was seduced by 5g Speed as I entered the world of mobile broadband. Someone yesterday reminded me of how little speed I personally need for a bit of iPlayer viewing and an (obsessive!) amount of web page reading. I ran my LTE Huawei monitor whilst I watched that video and this is what the chart looked like for the first minute or so.


View attachment 3968

You can see it never hit thirty and my Vodafone speed is

View attachment 3971


I have rejected the idea of a dual sim router on the advice of the folk around here. But I am interested (still) in load balancing. A search on this forum struggles to find brand names but I did read of someone using a Draytek 2925 they had bought on eBay.

Huawei routers seem to be coming up quite fast on eBay as people move from them to Full Fibre. If I were to pick one up at a good price what would the gurus around here recommend as a value for money load balancer?
in order of difficulty to configure:
tp-link er605
edgerouter x
mikrotik
 

Just sharing a Mrwhosetheboss video about his 5G thoughts with you for your perusal folks.

The video is just under 10 minutes, so grab a cuppa and a couple of biccies.

Just thought it would be interesting to hear someone elses opinion of the current state of 5G.

Please feel free to say if you agree with what he's saying or not.

I think when 'proper' stand alone 5G arrives, we'll get on much better with it. :unsure:

That's all for now folks.:giggle:
I hate this kind of "sensationalistic" or "influencer" tone in videos, many videos on youtube are like this, the nature of the beast I guess.

He touches on a few valid points, but can't take him seriously because of the above.

IMHO major issues with 5G experience nowadays is underinvestement (O2, VF) and NIMBY-ism.
 
I think he uses Vodafone for everything, considering how much research he puts into other aspects of his videos you would think he would have researched enough to realise he’s getting ripped off or looked at some coverage maps and noticed how far behind they are with 5g
 
I think he uses Vodafone for everything, considering how much research he puts into other aspects of his videos you would think he would have researched enough to realise he’s getting ripped off or looked at some coverage maps and noticed how far behind they are with 5g
when you get paid to advertise the network, do you bother with research?
 
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