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Why have Telcoms used fake names on ICNIRP confromity declarations for 5G masts?

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Why are you posting here? Are you looking for legal advice? Does your employer know you're posting here? I don't understand any of this.
Looking for a rationale to help us, we can’t make sense but wonder if there was legislation that was loose around ICNIRP certs. ie it could be draft on planning application and perfect prior to installation.
I don’t need to inform my employer to use the Internet and obviously not mentioning names. Do you need permission to go online from your place of work?
 
Hi,

I strongly suspect that the why is incompetence. It appears as if no-one has trained the person (or computer) filling in these forms to select the right name from the drop down box.

Unless there is some clear intent to defraud here (and I don't see any motive or any gain arising as a result) then I would be stunned if this goes anywhere near a legal process. The meaning of the document is not changed by the person it has been created on behalf of, even less if that is stated in error, what matters is the credentials of the person making the statement (which you haven't said are wrong) and the correctness of the statement itself (which you also don't contest).

With respect to the planning process, what matters is whether the entity making the application stands behind that statement (presumably everyone does, albeit noting the incorrect name and address).

To pick a rather poor analogy, if someone wants proof of my gender then it doesn't matter if my doctor accidentally states that I am a male on behalf of my next door neighbour rather than myself providing that (a) I am actually male, (b) they are in fact the doctor they are purporting to be and (c) I support that statement.

Obviously if you are in the middle of a legal action you need to consult a solicitor (and a specialist in the field in this case) but so far, from what you have said, this feels very much like a storm in a teacup.
 
Looking for a rationale to help us, we can’t make sense but wonder if there was legislation that was loose around ICNIRP certs. ie it could be draft on planning application and perfect prior to installation.
I don’t need to inform my employer to use the Internet and obviously not mentioning names. Do you need permission to go online from your place of work?
Does your place of work not train you in the things you need to do your job so you aren't asking random people on forums?
 
You were given an address for the ICNIRP declaration presumably in good faith, you questioned it, they told you 'no that's correct' so you went ahead in good faith

As for the planning applications, I can't see how, since they were approved at the locations they were installed at, they wouldn't have been approved if the ICNIRP declaration had have listed purely a different address, surely the address is essentially immaterial if all other aspects of the application is correct?

I can't see any sort of "mass fraud" here, just potentially an honest mistake by a worker maybe with a dash of incompetence

Either way surely your practice will have some sort of surveyors insurance for something like this
 
Hi,

Just to follow up, the expectation of the provision of a ICNIRP statement is set in the National Planning Policy Framework - you will presumably know the legal status of that document (I don't).

Section 121 of that document creates the requirement and my reading of it is that providing the person supporting the application agrees with the statement they are submitting (which I would expect to be implicit, if not explicit in planning law) then it doesn't matter if the statement itself says it is made on behalf of Basil Brush.
 
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You were given an address for the ICNIRP declaration presumably in good faith, you questioned it, they told you 'no that's correct' so you went ahead in good faith

As for the planning applications, I can't see how, since they were approved at the locations they were installed at, they wouldn't have been approved if the ICNIRP declaration had have listed purely a different address, surely the address is essentially immaterial if all other aspects of the application is correct?

I can't see any sort of "mass fraud" here, just potentially an honest mistake by a worker maybe with a dash of incompetence

Either way surely your practice will have some sort of surveyors insurance for something like this
You may have missed my ealier point. They were aware, apologied and then carried on doing it for months. We were told we would lose the business if we did not proceed with the incorrect entity. Not expecting sympathy acknowledge that was stupid.
 
Does your place of work not train you in the things you need to do your job so you aren't asking random people on forums?
I guess by your tone you work at the Telcoms company and know more than you are letting on.
We are a small surveyor that knows little about 5G or telecommunications. There are lots of very knowledgeable people on here.
My job is a very small part of my life, I pity that you seem owned by your employers.
 
I guess by your tone you work at the Telcoms company and know more than you are letting on.
We are a small surveyor that knows little about 5G or telecommunications. There are lots of very knowledgeable people on here.
My job is a very small part of my life, I pity that you seem owned by your employers.
Oh no, you've got me, I work for the "Telcoms". Please don't tell my boss!
 
Hi,

Just to follow up, the expectation of the provision of a ICNIRP statement is set in the National Planning Policy Framework - you will presumably know the legal status of that document (I don't).

Section 121 of that document creates the requirement and my reading of it is that providing the person supporting the application agrees with the statement they are submitting (which I would expect to be implicit, if not explicit in planning law) then it doesn't matter if the statement itself says it is made on behalf of Basil
Oh no, you've got me, I work for the "Telcoms". Please don't tell my boss!
Not trying to ‘get’ anyone. I hope you find some happiness in life x
 
I guess by your tone you work at the Telcoms company and know more than you are letting on.
We are a small surveyor that knows little about 5G or telecommunications. There are lots of very knowledgeable people on here.
My job is a very small part of my life, I pity that you seem owned by your employers.
Nah they work near a university afaik lol, definitely doesn't work for a telecommunications company

I do see why they're asking the questions though about employers since I don't know if they'd want all this information public
 
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Nah they work near a university afaik lol, definitely doesn't work for a telecommunications company

I do see why they're asking the questions though about employers since I don't know if they'd want all this information public
Makes sense that they are young. Was a bit puzzled by the anger.
I will not name my employer, I work part time and my main job is being a mum - they need me much more than I need them.
What started of as a bit of harmless gossip has got much more serious. Was hoping to find some information to help - seeing some lovely people so upset isn’t nice. Until that ladies comment had found the people here very helpful and friendly.
 
Makes sense that they are young. Was a bit puzzled by the anger.
I will not name my employer, I work part time and my main job is being a mum - they need me much more than I need them.
What started of as a bit of harmless gossip has got much more serious. Was hoping to find some information to help - seeing some lovely people so upset isn’t nice. Until that ladies comment had found the people here very helpful and friendly.
I'm probably the youngest one here to be fair 😂

Most people here are genuinely really nice but we have had some arguments in the past (specifically regarding a certain mobile network but we've moved on from it now) which caused some people to delete their accounrs
 
I'm minded to close this topic, as I don't think there's anything more people can add. This is something that should be handled internally and through the courts, not on a public forum.
 
I'm minded to close this topic, as I don't think there's anything more people can add. This is something that should be handled internally and through the courts, not on a public forum.
Fully agree here, I don't think there's much we can do.

I hope that everything manages to get resolved here, all that this topic can really do now is inform people that this is going on. Not aware of any lawyers that browse here.
 
You may have missed my ealier point. They were aware, apologied and then carried on doing it for months. We were told we would lose the business if we did not proceed with the incorrect entity. Not expecting sympathy acknowledge that was stupid.
Ngl I was seeing your point until you wrote this, but why would you publicly write this on an internet forum, there is a 99% chance that this post will end up in a NIMBY Facebook group and 10x the spam that you were complaining about onto every company involved.
 
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Ngl I was seeing your point until you wrote this, but why would you publicly write this on an internet forum, there is a 99% chance that this post will end up in a NIMBY Facebook group and 10x the spam that you were complaining about onto every company involved.
Eh they haven't caught onto you invading the Facebook groups yet and taking down the stop 5G forums, so I don't think they pay enough attention yet
 
Ngl I was seeing your point until you wrote this, but why would you publicly write this on an internet forum, there is a 99% chance that this post will end up in a NIMBY Facebook group and 10x the spam that you were complaining about onto every company involved.
I can see your point although I have a better view of how far they are along with this and how high it’s been escalated. I’ve also seen some of the legal letters from the public.
Where we are now, they wouldn’t be excited by my post in the slightest. I am angry at the Telcom for the distress they have caused our agents, so early in their careers.
 
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