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Will Three address mast contention? Lets find out!

Gandi69

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My speeds on 3 seem to have taken a bit of hit in the past week. Generally "passable" speeds of mid teens to low twenties (40+ in the small hours) but in the evening around 9/10 pm I can sometimes only pull 3 mbit down if that
 

The Wee Bear

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My speeds on 3 seem to have taken a bit of hit in the past week. Generally "passable" speeds of mid teens to low twenties (40+ in the small hours) but in the evening around 9/10 pm I can sometimes only pull 3 mbit down if that
I used to to get 60 - 90 on 3 Gandi69, but for a few months now, the best I can get is around 15, my 2 year contract is up next month so thought I'd try Voxi and now I'm getting 60, so it looks like it's bye bye to 3.

Don't think i'd ever go on a long contract again, plenty of monthly MVNO's now.

If they ever get their finger out here in North Ayrshire, there's always Smarty. :)
 

Gandi69

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I used to to get 60 - 90 on 3 Gandi69, but for a few months now, the best I can get is around 15, my 2 year contract is up next month so thought I'd try Voxi and now I'm getting 60, so it looks like it's bye bye to 3.

Don't think i'd ever go on a long contract again, plenty of monthly MVNO's now.

If they ever get their finger out here in North Ayrshire, there's always Smarty. :)

Ive got under a month to wait until they finally get the new three mast built so i'm going to wait it out- if that doesn't speed things up i'll attempt to cancel my contract and go with someone else. A Vodafone sim in this router is giving 95-120 mbit solidly.
 

The Wee Bear

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Ive got under a month to wait until they finally get the new three mast built so i'm going to wait it out- if that doesn't speed things up i'll attempt to cancel my contract and go with someone else. A Vodafone sim in this router is giving 95-120 mbit solidly.
Yeah, lucky you, I think all the networks have forgotten about 5G in North Ayrshire. :rolleyes:
 

Gandi69

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Not everyone lives in Glasgow or Edinburgh though Gandi69.

Very true!

I left my vodafone sim in the 535 last night and let some tests commence over night with grafana logging. I was seeing 160+mbit down which i'd be more than happy with. I did notice the SINR ratio on Three is between 1 and 7 db (at best) where as vodafone was getting anywhere from 13 to 22db. Would this be affecting the speeds to any great degree?
 

The Wee Bear

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My signals are really poor as you can see, this is with band 1 and 20 selected which seems to produce my highest speeds.

If i select band 3 on its own, I get full signal strength but a very slow speed.

I still prefer the higher than 3 speed with a poor signal strength though so I think it's still goodbye to 3 next month.

The best thing is you can just hop aboard the various MNVO's monthly and see how they are doing, wonder which one will offer 5G first and will I still be alive to see it. Lol

Anyway, my xbox games are updating much faster on Voxi and I can stream my 4K again, so I'm more than happy for now.
 

Gandi69

Top Member
Something weird going on with three today in my area. Getting 4g+ on the 535 which is unusual to say the least. Im connecting to a mast much much further away when there are at least a few more more local to me that I should be connecting to, in theory at least.

im in the area circle in blue and connect to either of the two masts above the blue circle, usually 3494 but I seem to be connecting to the one circled in yellow which is quite far away from me.
 

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Buggerlugz

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I've struggled to get over 2Mbps all day today on 4g+ bands 1 and 3, Three checker is reading RAN Capacity once more (as it has for over 12 months now), so yet again regardless of three's promises nothing has been done to address my contention still.
 

GavinAshford

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Something weird going on with three today in my area. Getting 4g+ on the 535 which is unusual to say the least. Im connecting to a mast much much further away when there are at least a few more more local to me that I should be connecting to, in theory at least.

im in the area circle in blue and connect to either of the two masts above the blue circle, usually 3494 but I seem to be connecting to the one circled in yellow which is quite far away from me.
Seems eNB 9892 site has had B1 added today (cellmapper reports it first seen today) - they'd have taken the site offline while doing that, and so you'd have connected to another (3495)

I've positioned 3495 - it was marked red (i.e. cellmapper tried its best to work out where to put it based on the data). I think is actually over near Blakenhall direction.

What I don't understand is how 3494 fits into the area, or why that one would be the one you normally connect to...

Edit: I've also moved 9892 onto the tower block and positioned 3494 at Betfred, which I think is where that's at - perhaps that explains why you're on 3494 more - its a much lower mast than the tower block site and probably the signal from the antennas on the tower block go straight over your head, whereas 3494 results in a stronger signal as its more level with your house.
 

Gandi69

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Seems eNB 9892 site has had B1 added today (cellmapper reports it first seen today) - they'd have taken the site offline while doing that, and so you'd have connected to another (3495)

I've positioned 3495 - it was marked red (i.e. cellmapper tried its best to work out where to put it based on the data). I think is actually over near Blakenhall direction.

What I don't understand is how 3494 fits into the area, or why that one would be the one you normally connect to...

Edit: I've also moved 9892 onto the tower block and positioned 3494 at Betfred, which I think is where that's at - perhaps that explains why you're on 3494 more - its a much lower mast than the tower block site and probably the signal from the antennas on the tower block go straight over your head, whereas 3494 results in a stronger signal as its more level with your house.
You’ll see from the image the concentration of squares on cellmapper , that’s where I am with my house frontage facing due west. My router/antenna is at the rear of the house facing due east, or more accurately north east so I’m aiming for 3494 or so I thought.
if the I moved the router/antenna setup to the front of the house it aggregates with the 9892 and 3494 but the connection can be very poor like that hence it being in the back of the house pointing towards the tower blocks, where I assume the transmitter is or was. It’s all going to change come jun 1st anyway with the new tower mind you.

Edit:

I just looked at cellmapper and seen you’ve swapped the mast locations, might have to check this out more!

The tower blocks are what I aim my antenna at (as best I can) in the hope that I was hitting 3494, which is the one the router always chooses at the rear of my property. I always assumed the 9892 tower was the poorer of the two as when hitting that results were invariable worse at most times
 
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SmartyBroadband

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Something weird going on with three today in my area. Getting 4g+ on the 535 which is unusual to say the least. Im connecting to a mast much much further away when there are at least a few more more local to me that I should be connecting to, in theory at least.
I experienced the same thing last week. 4G+ appeared for a few days (first time ever I had seen it) and then totally disappeared. Now it's back to 4G but seems much faster. I wish I had a rooted Android phone with Signal Guru so I could see what's going on.
 

Gandi69

Top Member
I also did a bit of walking around my area and took an Android with a signal app on it, it never saw 9892 once only 3494 which is the dominant one
 

GavinAshford

ULTIMATE Member
I'm almost certain 9829 is the tower block and 3494 is the chimney at Betfred - there is a planning application on Wolverhampton planning site from 2016 for Three to add B3 4G to the chimney (it was EE alone before that).

I think you're simply too closeby to pick up the 9829 signal reliably - the antennas there will be designed to travel far and wide, rather than being downtilted at the local area, given there is the 3494 site to cover the immediate area.
 

Gandi69

Top Member
I'm almost certain 9829 is the tower block and 3494 is the chimney at Betfred - there is a planning application on Wolverhampton planning site from 2016 for Three to add B3 4G to the chimney (it was EE alone before that).

I think you're simply too closeby to pick up the 9829 signal reliably - the antennas there will be designed to travel far and wide, rather than being downtilted at the local area, given there is the 3494 site to cover the immediate area.
It’s still strange how I picked up 3495 mind you, even in blakenhall there are masts closer to me than that by a good way. What I need to do now is move the router to the front of the house (luckily that’s where my network cab is) so I can see if this new band on b1 has helped improve things. When the new 5g mast gets completed there will be 4 EE/3 masts in what I’d estimate is a 1.5 mile radius of me.
 

GavinAshford

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I think I've placed 3495 appropriately - the coverage polygons look about right - but it could still be wrong; the area could do with more data overall.

While B1 will travel less distance (than the B3/20) from the tower block the signal angle won't be different so it too will still likely go over the top of you, and cover a large area.
I suspect the reason your connection (I assume you mean speeds) were generally poor with 9829 is that it covers such a large area/population that your allocation of spectrum would have been small (and as I mentioned above being underneath the antenna propagation patterns probably didn't help).

I do wonder perhaps that when the new 5G mast comes online if they'll then decommission the site at Betfred.
 

Gandi69

Top Member
Moved the router and have hung the small indoor panorama antenna out of the window for now (it’s well covered from rain anyway where it is). 9:45pm speeds range from 25/30mbit give or take. Upload is a bit less than what I previously had but I’m not that bothered really by that so much. I deem that a good result on a Friday night when everyone is streaming or doing whatever online.

I’ll be going out tomorrow so I’ll take my Android phone with me with the cellmapper app and see what it finds in the area, I suppose that may help the cell mapper data right?
 
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