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Special Offer for New Openreach Full Fibre Infrastructure Build Product

Wednesday, December 19th, 2018 (12:01 am) - Score 5,141

Openreach (BT) has announced that they’ve introduced an exemption up to £2800 on the first Ethernet Access Direct (EAD) or Fibre-to-the-Premises (FTTP) broadband connection charge, when ordered following network provision via their new Full Fibre Infrastructure Build (FFIB) product.

FFIB is a new commercial product, which is available for individual or multi-site network infrastructure upgrades to full fibre connectivity, albeit designed with the public sector in mind (i.e. local government, schools and public buildings). On the surface this may sound a little like FTTP on Demand (FoD) but it takes a different approach.

The product essentially deploys Openreach’s fibre network (duct infrastructure and fibre delivery) into any location that is not included in their current FTTP roll-out plans. Once completed customers can then be served from the new fibre distribution point, such as by ordering Ethernet leased lines or FTTP broadband circuits.

Openreach Product Description

FFIB terminates on Network Terminating Equipment (NTE) – included in the building. Having FFIB to sites ensures that the same infrastructure is able to carry all available fibre based services from Gigabit capable Broadband, Ethernet and also Optical high bandwidth services.

FFIB is a “passive” fast fibre network build solution – as a local body or private client you can then buy “active” services from your choice of Communications Provider (CP).

Key benefits:

* We can give you the full fibre connectivity you want – using our existing network and ducts – avoiding the need to dig up streets.

* FFIB takes fibre closer to local residents and businesses meaning they can obtain fibre services more easily.

* If you want to keep it simple and cost-effective – it makes sense to work with the established biggest provider of fibre connectivity in Britain – Openreach.

* Once built, our proposition is designed to blend seamlessly with the existing Openreach network offering simplicity for local bodies in terms of ongoing maintenance/upgrades and access to the fullest range of speeds and network products.

On top of this we understand that ISPs can add their own service wrap, including Service Level Agreements (SLA) that may be attractive to public sector customers. Ethernet services can then be provided with no excess construction charges. Openreach has also introduced an exemption of up to £2800 on the first FTTP or EAD connection charge when ordered following FFIB network provision.

The exemption will either be £2800 where the connection charge is greater or the actual connection charge if less than £2800. Effectively this means a free connection to either FTTP or standard EAD 100Mbps and 1Gbps (the connection for their faster 10Gbps EAD service is simply reduced). Apparently this exemption will be introduced for orders placed on or after 15th January 2019.

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  1. CarlT says:

    Ah I see. Looks like a variation of FTTB where you pay to get the fibre into the building then individuals pay install charges from that internal fibre infrastructure. Nice.

  2. Tim says:

    So if I order an EAD 100Mbps leased line it will enable my neighbour to order an FTTP home service with none of the install cost? This is a big problem because no one wants to be the first, paying a high monthly leased line rental to enable a neighbour to order a home FTTP service.

    Or have I completely misunderstood?

    I guess the scenario Openreach are aiming for is Hyperoptic order a leased line to a block of flats then Openreach will then allow other service providers to supply FTTP services to residents directly through normal Openreach FTTP?

    1. Mark Jackson says:

      Somebody would have to order and complete the Full Fibre Infrastructure Build commercial product first.

    2. Tim says:

      So could the council order the FFIB product thus allowing them to enable new areas without having to wait for lengthy BDUK contract extensions to be agreed?

    3. Joe says:

      Council/landlord etc….

    4. Simon says:

      The local Student digs in Newport use ASK4 and they have 10Gbps line – seems odd when they are based in Sheffield they don’t do more of an area they are clearly in

    5. CarlT says:

      Buying a 10G to a building is easy and cheap enough. Serving other units gets expensive quickly, especially if there’s no assurance of really high take up.

  3. TheMatt says:

    Got an FTTPoD quote from Cerberus.


    I couldn’t stop laughing. They don’t even want your business. Conversely a VM or TalkTalk leased line could be installed totally free if I was willing to pay £275 a month for the service..

    1. Simon says:

      Have you paid for a survey? Most of us ended up paying half the initial quote and you can get a grant of £2,500 if you have a business registered to the address. After about 3 years FTTPoD would be cheaper.

    2. CarlT says:

      That’s the cost they’re paying. It’s this or they hit you with a 3 year contract and recoup the install cost over the course of that contract by charging more on a regular basis.

      They don’t want the business if they’re going to make a loss on it, no.

    3. TheMatt says:

      Simon, no I did not go with the full survey after this price.

      CarlIT… no .. it is not what they are paying. They’re ripping us off, or just giving inflated figures because they aren’t seriously interested in selling the product. There’s just no way that it’s over £8k install when I live metres from the Ag node.

    4. Joe says:

      Sounds a basis for the survey if its that obvious it cant be 8k…

    5. A_Builder says:


      The charges are transparent and well know.

      If you know the location of the AggNode and the duct run you can do the calcs yourself.

      I too have had some crazy prices back from OR over the years. But as a few others have said it will be less.

      And if it really is half and you can get a voucher the install will be about £1k which is lost in the noise.

      So I don’t see why the mock outrage.

      Yes, OR’s FTTPoD is an anti business – or an inversion of how a business should be run. Essentially they are putting out sky high prices to throttle demand rather than think I have demand, lets a. Which is bonkers as they should be leveraging the latent demand to build the network out on other people’s dollar.

      OR’s FTTPoD is a strange unloved orphan child within OR’s structure as it isn’t within anyone’s fiefdom who is interested in it and how to build it into a dynamic part of the business. Which is bizarre when you have clear demand for a product and can make a good margin on it….ho hum.

      As a BT shareholder I’m not very impressed with that as a business decision..

    6. Joe says:

      I agree with that ORs FttpoD seems to have no home and no love. Its difficult to understand what and why they are acting as they are. We can perhaps hope that after the mass fttp rollout they might look again at it.

    7. Jim Weir says:

      Sure some VM and TT leased lines are free install – but many come back with ECC after order / survey, its just the initial assumption that the install cost will be covered at the point of enquiry.

      Just out of interest have you ever looked at the costs of a on Demand FTTP build from Gigaclear or CityFibre? As soon as you need Traffic Management or a Carriageway box, the cost ramps up quickly.

      Fundamentally, building networks ad hoc (on demand) to cover 4-12 properties in random isolation isn’t efficient even if people are willing to contribute to the capital cost. Its a niche product and it works well for those who want to pay. Its not and never will be a mass build out solution.

    8. Joe says:

      I understand the issue quite well! But even with those OR has limited fttpod to a tiny number.

    9. Jim Weir says:

      Of course they have – the same civils gangs and cabling teams can be allocated to builds with 100- 1000 properties.

      Thats before you even consider the surveying function – sending out surveyors to pickup random FoD orders over vast areas (many of which will be cancelled after survey) or have those surveyors working on a specific area for a planned build.

      Its about sensible use of a limited resource.

      Its no different to FastTrack airport queues or Speedy Boarding – if you let it run free, it no longer provides the initial aim.

    10. CarlT says:

      Cerberus didn’t make up the quote – that’s what Openreach quoted them and what they would be paying Openreach. They don’t profit from the install.

      If you think you’re so close do consider a full survey rather than the unreliable desktop quote.

    11. TheMatt says:

      @CarIT Cerberus didn’t make up the quote – that’s what Openreach quoted them and what they would be paying Openreach. They don’t profit from the install.

      So why was a competing quote from another ISP for FTTPoD also provided by OR considerably less (in the thousands), I’m quite sure Cerberus inflated their estimate. But I think I will consider having the full survey done after reading the comments.

    12. Joe says:

      i’ve been on more than a few flights where everyone is on priority boarding as its a few quid the airline can pocket for nothing.

      The point is fttpod is so limited its more inefficient than if they scaled it even slightly – its hardly worth doing atm. (even if its actually financially better than much of the general work at least initially)

    13. Simon says:


      Mine was 34K! I guess they were sniffing glue

    14. Joe says:

      There was a point where the desktop quote systems just returned a ‘say no’ price if it didn’t have the data to make a ‘real’ quote. I think that happens less….but

    15. dee.jay says:

      I had a quote for £7K for my property.

      I have 2xFTTC lines at present, yielding around ~ 135Mbit between them.

      If I was stuck with <20Mbit I'd consider paying for FTTPoD, but can't justify it at 135Mb, and potentially considering moving house in the next few years.

  4. Bill says:

    How is it that this product can supply both EAD and Gpon based stuff? … Others have been adamant that the leased line network and native FTTP networks are completely separate circuits

    1. Jim Weir says:

      Traditionally that has been the case (separate networks) but Openreach did detail earlier this year how they would move to single Fibre Network – this is clearly part of that.

    2. CarlT says:

      I imagine they can use higher fibre count cables than PON actually requires and simply route fibre directly rather than via splitters to serve EADs.

    3. Bill says:

      In that case the vast existing network of leased line nodes could be repurposed to provide native fttp in addition to EAD one would think… I imagine many of the nodes have several spare fibres that could feed a PON splitter.

    4. CarlT says:

      Most of that vast existing network pre-dates the FTTC network and consolidation of fibre resources so will be taking different routes not going via an aggregation node.

      Openreach, wisely, built an overlay network for FTTC/P and don’t mix that network and legacy ones as far as the fibre spines go.

  5. A_Builder says:


    However, there is an OR project (One Network) to amalgamate all of the legacy stuff.

    And they will have to reuse/reacrchitect some of it to keep costs down with the Fibre First rollout.

    1. CarlT says:

      The Fibre First stuff going on here is using existing ducting but running subducts for all bar the last drop. I’m sure there are changes in prospect, though. Makes sense just takes a while.

      Leased line ‘nodes’ can’t be used as they don’t exist. The concept of aggregation nodes only really became a thing with FTTC/P. The hugely increased fibre count in the access network forced architecture changes.

      I may of course be wrong.

    2. Bill says:

      I think you are wrong, the leased line network consists of lots of t-nodes and y-nodes. Obviously some work needs to be done to make them suitable for fibre first but its a great starting point potentially.

    3. A_Builder says:

      I think the issue is how you deliver the dedicated leased bandwidth on a private circuit. Over a shared fibre.

      My suspicion is that OR are moving to giving a dedicated circuit a dedicated light frequency so that they can state that the leased line is uncontended but at the same time be able to run a number of other fibre circuits over the same physical fibre paths.

      And yes that will mean cutting into existing fibres to put splitters out to AggNodes etc but the tech now exists to make much more use the historical fibre network. As many have stated there is plenty of backhaul around it is just a question of how it is used.

      And yes, in many places it will be simpler to overlay but in more remote of challenging situations repurposing existing fibres could have big cost benefits.

      For instance someone may have flattened a small industrial estate with a leased fibre line run into it. It would be a bit silly to say “can’t repurpose that: wrong kind of fibre” OK assuming it runs close to an AggNode. Or alternatively an office block it turned into flats, big business in larger UK cities, chances are there is already fibre into the building.

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