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The Case of a 6 Year Wait for an Unfinished Openreach FTTP Build

Saturday, Feb 25th, 2023 (12:01 am) - Score 7,896
Openreach-on-Marsh-Moss-Lane-in-2020

In most cases, the UK roll-out and activation of a Fibre-to-the-Premises (FTTP) broadband ISP network into a new area is a process that can take anything from a few months and up to 1-2 years. But spare a thought for those who get stuck with part-complete builds, such as in one Lancashire community, where it may take 6 years to finish.

The issue of long delays and unfinished fibre builds is, sadly, nothing new to these pages, and it frequently results in those affected becoming stuck in limbo for an extremely long period of time. Often when this occurs, the only thing more frustrating than the extended wait is the lack of communication and explanation from the network operator involved.

NOTE: Issues like this are not unique to Openreach, it happens with other operators too.

The reasons for why it occurs can be many and varied, ranging from the impact of wider changes in an operator’s build strategy, to the discovery of unexpected engineering challenges and so forth. All of which could push an area outside economic viability and may require a lot of extra admin to resolve.

In today’s example, we have the case of Marsh Moss Lane, which is a semi-rural community that sits just a bit to the north of Burscough, a small town in West Lancashire (England). The lane reaches around 11 houses and a small business park of 10+ units. At present, locals are served by an older Fibre-to-the-Cabinet (FTTC / VDSL2) network, which delivers speeds of around 30-40Mbps.

However, back in 2019 Openreach informed the community that they’d be upgraded to full fibre (FTTP) in 2020, and sure enough the work did start. Before long both the nearby New Lane and Tarlscough Lane had got it (both at opposite ends of Marsh Moss Lane), while the wood poles that chain along Marsh Moss Lane itself also had optical fibre run to some of them, albeit sometimes left curled up at the bottom.

In 2021 some locals decided to chase Openreach for an answer to why the FTTP build had not completed and, in-between denying that any optical fibre work had taken place on the lane (even though some clearly had – the picture on this article is from 2020), the operator indicated to expect it by Q1 2023. Except, that didn’t happen either, and now the community is being told to wait until 2026. A full six years after the work first began.

A Resident of Marsh Moss Lane told ISPreview.co.uk:

January [2023] comes and goes with nothing. I chase Openreach once again. This time I report the ream of fibre cable is “dangerous” and they send out an engineer. He confirms the work from 2020 and finds it odd Marsh Moss Lane has been missed out. He says he’ll file a report, but he works on the copper side, so can’t do much.

He also said, it does seem the work is done, and they would “just need to put the box on the pole and connect this fibre cable”! I chase Openreach and they are now saying our road will be connected in 2026! With, again, no acknowledgement of the previous works or the waiting fibre cable.”

Naturally, locals have since lost trust in Openreach’s ability to deliver, and thus even the 2026 target is now regarded with some degree of scepticism. So, what happened to cause all this? The first thing to remember is that what might look, to the casual observer, like something that would be relatively straightforward to resolve, often isn’t.

Openreach informed ISPreview.co.uk that they fully understand the frustration of local homes and businesses when plans change, and they apologise for that. But the operator ultimately found that the build costs of fully extending down the lane would have been “too high to get to every property“, including those on the far side of the railway – which are mostly sparsely located.

In this case, it appears as if the build was hampered by a combination of the railway line, access/permissions (getting this for some areas can be difficult and costly), the extra street works needed, the lower density of properties around Marsh Moss Lane and the existing infrastructure already in place, have all had a role to play.

For example, some properties couldn’t be served by the operator’s existing full fibre Connectorized Block Terminals (CBT) on top of local wood poles, because of capacity. Instead, they would have had to build an entirely new PON (fibre spine), which itself would probably have needed to run over the railway line (a lot more work and expense due to additional access and safety implications).

In short, as the situation stands today, the build itself has not been abandoned, but we’re told it’ll be “no sooner” than the currently stated date of 2026. However, Openreach also states that their plans can and do sometimes change. In keeping with that, they’ve dispatched their Chief Engineer team to go out and take another look at the situation on the ground, which may or may not move things forward. We’ll post an update if the situation changes.

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Mark is a professional technology writer, IT consultant and computer engineer from Dorset (England), he also founded ISPreview in 1999 and enjoys analysing the latest telecoms and broadband developments. Find me on X (Twitter), Mastodon, Facebook and .
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57 Responses
  1. Avatar photo David MW0DCM says:

    Sounds to much like here in Tylorstown, Ferndale, Rhondda Valleys, where they got so far then stopped for no reason. I asked BT about it and got told after a few calls that it was a project that OR had started but didn’t finish, no explanation why.
    The houses missed are all back fed, not front so my guess is cost? I’m sure they can carry it on over the poles, but only time will tell, in the meantime we’ve all got to put up with a connection that drops out every 8 to 1p days due to a faulty 1km long stretch of Aluminium which is the fault, and houses are getting 30 to 32mbps instead of the 80 that was advertised…. Time stands still for no one and I’m not expecting a 2026 finish date… I just wished the neighbours would all get vouchers and this should cut the bill down?

    1. Avatar photo Paul says:

      This sounds exactly like my position. All but my road has fttp here with no date in sight for it to be installed.
      We are one of the many forgotten roads due to expense it seems.
      My connection also drops every few days too and zen thinks it’s completely fine.

    2. Avatar photo Ian Hopkinson says:

      In response to some of the points raised, first, speeds of FTTC are measured from the DSLAM, so 80/20 overa Km of distance is NEVER going to be 80/20, physics prevents it, however, your speeds actually sound pretty good for the distance, drop outs, doesn’t sound like line fault if your speed is constant, so perhaps a router issue, possibly requiring a factory reset, build wise, often the customers in my outlaying areas are paying for the FTTP build, no mention here of a payment for the install of FTTP to the pole top. New build estates of over 30 dwellings are meant to be built with FTTP ducting even if copper is used, I’ve heard tell that 75% of the network will be FTTP connected so potentially some out laying areas will require alternative network to access broadband. Then we get onto an additional issue, where ever OR start a network build quite often an altnet will start their build, some companies will rent duct and pole space others however will dig their own, both introduce issues with altnet damaging OR cabling and this then will require repair and so cost, other times any planning permissions run out, such as traffic management for access.further issues maybe the customers requiring install locations being different to present install sites in their homes and not planning on how or developers not planning for future install sites, all this add time and cost implications.

    3. Avatar photo John says:

      So many mistakes in your post Ian, I don’t know where to begin.

      FTTP “ducting” doesn’t need to be used on new build sites on 30+ properties, even if copper is used.

      For starters ducting is ducting. There isn’t “FTTP ducting”. There’s fibre micro duct, but you can’t shove copper down that.

      FTTP is simply free from Openreach for sites over 20 properties. They charge developers for sites of less than 20 properties.

      They will often no longer install copper to the vast majority of new sites.

      You’re blaming the router for drops in connection based on the sync speed alone, that’s ridiculous.
      It’s very rarely the fault of a router (more specifically a modem as that’s what syncs with the DSLAM).
      If you spent a couple days working on copper faults you would stop guessing what the issue is.

      The fact there’s a long stretch of Aluminium on the circuit with fault disconnections screams HR fault. Copper and Aluminium are not a good mix.

      And what’s this paying for FTTP to the pole top? There’s just no such thing.

      You can pay for FTTP to come via FTTPoD but it requires you take an FTTP service at a much higher rental fee with a massive upfront installation cost (over £10k on most installs).
      This doesn’t end at the pole top. It must go to the ONT.

      Absolute gibberish.

  2. Avatar photo Altnut says:

    Seems like Philip Janssens “unstoppable machine” can be stopped after all!

  3. Avatar photo Steve says:

    Burscough has been on the openreach stop sell copper list active from 25 January 2022. I suspect human error here.

    1. Avatar photo NE555 says:

      Copper stop sell becomes active when only 75% of properties in an area are FTTP-enabled, but only applies to those properties which actually have FTTP available.

      Some copper-only properties could remain for many years after that point, and will continue to receive service over copper.

  4. Avatar photo Will says:

    Similar story in my local area. Parts of my village are currently deemed to costly to deploy FTTP, and I have seen fibre coiled up on a pole in a nearby hamlet that has been there for over a year!

    1. Avatar photo Will says:

      * too costly

  5. Avatar photo Si says:

    It seems they’re telling a lot of people a default answer of 2026.

    They’ve started building in Andover, and when they did the openreach fibre checker changed from not in scope, to December 2026. I would hope they’d be finished before then, but who knows.

  6. Avatar photo Alastair says:

    What a nightmare for the locals!

    Openreach builds are full of these little frustrations. My own family experiences:

    1. Exchange only line on the Cleveleys exchange. Circa 2018, Openreach added a new cabinet, number 55, with integrated FTTC, which remains in place but has never been activated for use. Cleveleys is in the “next 12 months” phase of FTTP build, so the cabinet will never be used.

    2. My brother just moved house within the St Anne’s exchange area and the new house plus around 10 of their neighbours can only get FTTC. The FTTP build at the exchange is complete and about 75% of addresses on their cabinet at least have G.fast, but he’s out of luck.

    1. Avatar photo Fastman says:

      interesting where is that cabinet located and s there a dslam next to it and how far are you away from that cabinet as the cable runs . i suggest that cabinet was enabled but it could mean as you are out of distance you get no benefit (especially if they DSLAM is in situ . because if you were out of distance if would show you connected to cab 55 but not getting any VDSL

    2. Avatar photo John says:

      Nope Fastman, wrong again.

      PCP 55 is located on FY5 1AP.
      The DSLAM itself shows up on the BT Wholesale Checker (as do all DSLAM’s), but it just isn’t active.
      All FTTC DSLAM’s usually show full estimates for VDSL2. There are no VDSL2 estimates on this particular DSLAM.

      Nothing to do with distance. The DSLAM was installed but never activated.
      It isn’t unique either. I know half a dozen similar examples.

    3. Avatar photo Fastman says:

      assume then probably the power cost

      not my problem anymore fortunately

    4. Avatar photo Fastman says:

      john – so what you do you about enabling and building a fibre network — and do you you industry recognition for your efforts — – please share as id love to know what level of expertise you have ?

    5. Avatar photo John says:

      24 years working with telecoms infra.
      9 years of that working with the Royal Signals.

      15 years working for UK telcos with the last 13 of those years doing fibre work with BT/Openreach.

      Apart from giving half a decade of misinformation on here and think broadband, what’s your expertise?

    6. Avatar photo P Coventry says:

      @John

      Youre full of it as well mate.

    7. Avatar photo Will says:

      @P Coventry, John is incredibly knowledgeable in this field, so I’m not sure where you are getting that from?

    8. Avatar photo P Coventry says:

      Yes he is @Will but he is also “full of himself” which is a bad trait.

    9. Avatar photo Will says:

      Fair point.

  7. Avatar photo aw says:

    nantgaredig ,just outside carmarthen at least 6 years the black tubing has been coiled up on the poles

  8. Avatar photo Oliver says:

    My estate has had the fttp cable coiled up on telegraph poles for almost 2 years now. One street out of 7 fttp enabled but appears they’ve abandoned the rest. When I ask OR about it they deny any work has been done towards fttp and that my address isn’t part of any build plans. Thankfully I do appear to now be in build plans for an altnet called Ogi. They said I’ll be connected by the end of this year…bit optimistic since they’ve not started any work yet but we shall see.

    1. Avatar photo 125us says:

      Just because there’s fibre on a pole it doesn’t mean that Openreach put it there.

  9. Avatar photo Ian says:

    Honestly sounds like some pretty serious screw-ups by OR. The whole “not enougb ports on the CBT” thing doesn’t even make sense, those things are clearly spaced and sized according to number of properties in vicinity of the pole.

    I can’t really say what has happened here exactly, my rural area had its build happen over about 4 months of intensive work where a lot of new poles had to be installed and there was maybe 2 months of a lot of fibre being left dangling and unconnected at various points while other works including digging were happening.

    I think a lot of it requires a lot of coordination between various contractors too, OR don’t seem to do all of the work themselves.

    I sympathise with these people but would also say if they are being served by FTTC already it likely isn’t a priority and if the decision has been made to focus efforts on areas that never had FTTC previously I would not be surprised, there are many where the fibre build out is replacing 1-2mbps ADSL service.

    1. Avatar photo John says:

      “The whole “not enougb ports on the CBT” thing doesn’t even make sense, those things are clearly spaced and sized according to number of properties in vicinity of the pole.”

      It does make sense and there are many examples of why this can happen. Not all of them are the network builders fault.

      The earliest Openreach FTTP deployments didn’t even use CBT’s.

      When they did start using CBT’s they deployed 1 CBT port per property but they withdrew 4 port ONT’s around the same time.

      Cbt ports aren’t reserved to each property.
      So there are examples where people have 2 FTTP services via 2 drop wires with 2 ONT’s. This takes 2 CBT ports and can leave a neighbour with no capacity for FTTP.

      We also still build houses in this country. We also split single dwellings into multiple dwellings.

      There are many examples out there where Openreach added sufficient CBT ports (even spares) but additional homes have since been built or split, leaving insufficient capacity.

      Unfortunately you can’t plan capacity for every single possible outcome.

  10. Avatar photo RaptorX says:

    6 years? Sounds rough, but how about “no plans for your area” to this day? Thankfully, there’s an altnet who’s building round my way and will be available “soon”, whenever that is. At least it will be a better service with a symmetric 900/900 service which is important for me.

  11. Avatar photo Mike says:

    I wonder if this has anything do with rising interest rates squeezing capital availability needed for the rollout?

  12. Avatar photo The Truth says:

    As normal many childish comments above.

  13. Avatar photo AshtagDOTuk says:

    We’re another “this is happening to us” over in Elton, Cheshire. Openreach were very active in the area deploying FTTP last year and got as far as deploying it to half of the village.

    But towards the back end of 2022 they appear to have picked up tools and dissappeared, leaving the remaining half of the village (which just so happens to be the half of the village with older housing) without any FTTP.

    For the remaining properties still waiting, the FTTP checker on Openreach’s website flips between “coming soon” and “no plans for deploying in this area”. Incredibly frustrating – as sods law I live in the half of the village that hasn’t got FTTP.

    Things took an interesting turn last month though when Virgin Media started deploying their FTTP in the village. They have started by targeting the areas that Openreach haven’t bothered.

    As such, I think Openreach have shot themselves in the foot here – as many people in the village have complaints about broadband speeds and many are ready to jump on the first service that reaches them that has the faster speeds!

  14. Avatar photo AltnetFan says:

    Dealt with a case in central London with 26 properties with ADSL2+ only. Developer converted a double garage into a house, paying for fibre to be installed. Queried why no-one else can connect to the fibre to be told that this equipment was purpose built for a new sites build and does not have the capacity to accommodate for the remaining properties without a fibre connection. No forward thinking at all on behalf of Openreach to plan for future connections. Rolling out capacity for a few properties makes no sense, particularly when all space is used up and no further development is possible.

    1. Avatar photo John says:

      The absolute minimum an FTTP rollout can be built to cater for is 30 properties (it’s 32 but they leave 2 spare for faults).
      They may only install a splitter and a 4 port CBT with 1 port connected, but the capacity for 29 more exists.

      So in this case they either 1… took the fibre feed from another nearby PON (meaning there wouldn’t be enough capacity for the other 26 anyway) or 2… they built a PON and there’s still at least 29 left on the splitter.

      It’s fairly trivial to return and add a larger or more CBT’s for example 2.

      Building FTTP for a single new build would almost certainly have been option 2.
      They would never have done existing properties at the same time at this, particularly as that single property will have paid a good few thousand £ for a new build FTTP deployment to a single address.

      Being an MDU in London it will need wayleaves etc which have been a bit of an after thought until recently.

  15. Avatar photo Mr Sensible says:

    If its not commercially viable Openreach won’t build to a street/estate/property, people can moan and groan but Openreach have to do the maths before getting out their cheque book.

    Its as simple as that people.

    1. Avatar photo Ian says:

      Not entirely true, that is the point of the governments of the UK throwing money at OR in fact and if you look you can see the network being built to some very expensive (for them) parts of the UK.

      OR have to have most of this done by 2025 when they intend on switching off the copper phone lines for one, that seems to be driving them to build in some very rural areas where they will likely never see a huge return, the billions of pounds in rural broadband funding is sweetening the deal though.

    2. Avatar photo John says:

      They don’t need to deploy a single strand of fibre by 2025.
      The PSTN/WLR shut down in 2025 is only for analogue telephone calls, requiring VOIP (DIGITAL VOICE).

      They aren’t turning off copper phone lines, just converting them to digital.
      If you have no full fibre then you can still use your copper phone line over FTTC or ADSL via VOIP after 2025.

    3. Avatar photo 125us says:

      Councils have paid OR to do specific pieces of work with government funding, which they’ve done. They’ve had no public funding to do a general national rollout of FTTP.

      There’s no compulsion on them to pursue the rollout, it’s driven by commercial interest and some places will be beyond economic reach. If OR do roll out below cost or to places they can’t make a return they will fall foul of the Competition Act and their altnet competitors would take them to court for predatory behaviour.

    4. Avatar photo Mr Sensible says:

      @Ian, check your facts before opening your month as you look silly otherwise.

    5. Avatar photo Mr Sensible says:

      @125us, commercial and government funded rollouts are completely different.

    6. Avatar photo Reality Bytes says:

      ‘If OR do roll out below cost or to places they can’t make a return they will fall foul of the Competition Act and their altnet competitors would take them to court for predatory behaviour.’

      Openreach can roll out wherever they want. There is nothing in law covering this. You think they’re going to make a profit building FTTP to a farm half way up a mountain, with more build to get to the visitors’ centre at the top in progress?

  16. Avatar photo Tom says:

    Similar issue in a village just outside Guildford. The entire south section of the village can order FTTP except for 11 properties which are served from a pole with a blocked duct.
    Openreach now say it’s going to be another 18 months before work will commence again for those 11 properties. (those properties are right in the middle of the rest of the deployment.. I would be livid!).

  17. Avatar photo Lexx says:

    I thought G.Fast was not going to be used any more but yet I am seeing new g.Fast modules been installed in Stockton Heath (sure look like G.Fast modules)

    1. Avatar photo The witcher says:

      Similar cabinets are used for other equipment e.g. VDSL pods or more likely subtended headends.

  18. Avatar photo Bruce says:

    OR use contrators to install FTTP (Morrison, Circet, Telent etc).

    The cost of installing fibre into existing aged BT ducts installed in the 1940s is very troublesome and expensive.

    For instance I’ve had a 3km section of duct down a rural road that needs to be closed. The council charges £3k to process the TTRO. Our TM company charges £1k to put in diversion signage per day x 10. We need to desist the ducts to give us a chance of installing fibre at £800 day x 10, and then we have to pay £400 x 30 for each excavation in the carriageway, where the D15 earthenware duct is blocked.

    Once the route is cleared its subducted at an additional cost.

    This 3 km section of road has now had costs in excess of £50k, OR have now decided their budget is busted so they pull the works to the next year.

    Meanwhile 15 years ago the same work was carried, on the same road in the same ducts, and unfortunately the subduct installed for the FTTC only had a 24f cable blown in (would have only cost £4k more for a 276f cable which would now serve FTTP) OR is a pretty poor organisation with very little talent to spend and manage a vast budget.

    1. Avatar photo Mr Sensible says:

      I enjoyed most of your post until the end bit, easy to have hindsight Bruce, let me know whats going to happen in 2038 so I can start planning for it.

    2. Avatar photo Alex says:

      “It would’ve only cost £4k more” lol.
      What are you people on?!

  19. Avatar photo Pete says:

    I live in a town of 7500 people and there are NO plans to build out FTTP from the towns own exchange!!!!

    Openreach are shocking in Edinburgh and south of it and there is no sign of it changing, VMB also seems to be uninterested in finishing their build out and there is lots of people complaining of the service in the area already as well.

    Not a chance of an altnet building out the area as its not dense enough for them to bother expanding the network outside Edinburgh.

    Starlink is really the only other option and thats so all over the place that I refuse to pay that money for a service with very poor hardware.

    1. Avatar photo Cheesemp says:

      I live in a town of 10000 on the South coast and no OR plans either. Thankfully we do have a few altnets doing some work but those estimates keep being pushed back (8 months late for both with no sign of being able to install). It sometimes feels random the rollout from OR. However I think I have it vaguely figured out. Small villages/hamlets – check (Gov funding/USO?), large towns – check (Profit?), middle/small towns – nope.

    2. Avatar photo The Facts says:

      Why do people moan about Openreach not covering their area when there are many other suppliers available?

    3. Avatar photo Reality Bytes says:

      ‘Not a chance of an altnet building out the area as its not dense enough for them to bother expanding the network outside Edinburgh.’

      Okay, so if it’s that sparse why would Openreach build to it?

  20. Avatar photo Dassa says:

    “I live in a town of 7500 people and there are NO plans to build out FTTP from the towns own exchange!!!!”

    Whilst you probably didn’t mean exactly what you wrote, it may well be that fibre to your town will come from an adjacent exchange so your statement is irrelevant as to when you will actually get fibre.

    Of course you might have been told that there are no plans to cover your area with FTTP, which would be more meaningful.

  21. Avatar photo David says:

    Feel for them, I live in a town centre and have fibre on the poles in the street full activated. Except to the flats I live in! Just had an email off OR to say all is complete. But Domestic and Wholesale checkers still say “Not yet Avalible”.

  22. Avatar photo Toby says:

    We have an issue here in that, whilst our area in general is being built out at the moment, our particular cul-de-sac is being omitted.

    After much chasing with Openreach to see if this was an error, they confirmed it was accurate and because the cables in our road are “direct buried”, i.e. not in a conduit.
    They said they have no plans or ideas on how to deal with this at present so we’ve just been omitted.

    Thankfully I can get Virgin here but many aren’t so fortunate.

  23. Avatar photo Mervyn says:

    It’s becoming a cruel joke now all this messing around by BT, Openreach etc. Companies can’t sell the broadband, let alone the digital voice products. For me, I’m with EE and they’ve told me as my contract is up Jan 2024, but they’ll be informing me in October it’s time to start the renewal process and they have no options other than the Fibre with no phone and they say it’s because of BT, yet they are all supposed to be the same company now.

    BT, when I called them stated that as of Jan 2024 I won’t have a land line, my number will be gone and it’s up to me to take out a full expensive BT package as that is the only way I’ll get the digital phone. EE claims it’ll be in 2026, they may get it, but can still only sell fibre and the fibre plus because BT hasn’t done their jobs or even installed the infrastructure fully.

    1. Avatar photo Tony says:

      The whole country is moving over to digital, so your phone will be VoIP rather than PSTN.

      If your current provider don’t yet offer a digital service, that’s down to them, not Openreach or BT. It’s not like they have only just found out, the move has been advertised for years.

  24. Avatar photo Jazzy says:

    Openreach nstalled Fibre in my street last year and it was active within 2 months. Cityfibre came 2 months earlier using Openreach ducts. Still not active over 15 months later

  25. Avatar photo Bob says:

    Sounds more like bad planning by Openreach compounded by no real information to residents.

  26. Avatar photo Sam says:

    We were scheduled to have FTTP installed in our village with a date of March 2023. Last week they were in the village with a big roll of Fibre, pulling it through ducts and installing it Telegraph pole to Telegraph pole. Then this week, all of a sudden the FTTP checker has updated to ‘before December 2026’. Is this a generic pushback because we’re so close to March? Or would this be because of an issue they discovered last week? Feels like its been updated too fast if that was the case, baring in mind they were doing installation of the cable on Friday afternoon!

  27. Avatar photo Philip Lee says:

    I’m connected to the Streetly exchange, which was was near the beginning of the OR FTTP roll-out schedule. It’s had a Stop Sell for copper lines sine June 2021. All the surrounding, long roads have FTTP. My road, which has 6 poles in it, was omitted from the build, except for one pole which connects the Primary School via fibre. Fortunately, the FTTC performance is good enough for me at the moment.
    I have asked OR and others why my road was omitted but there has been no meaningful answer. (Basically, it was omitted because it wasn’t included!).
    It appears to me that, in order to reach their 75% availability target, OR opt for long roads with a high housing density, which makes sense commercially.
    Telewest took this approach in the 1990s so the roads round here that have FTTP also have Virgin cable (usually). My road hasn’t got Virgin cable either.
    Many people on this site talk about Altnets but there is no sign of any installing round here. Central Birmingham is probably more attractive commercially.
    It would be nice to know if and when OR will return to finish the job.

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