
Information allegedly leaked from inside broadband ISP BT (inc. EE and Plusnet) suggests that customers may in the future have to face a charge of £50 for a missed appointment, such as when the engineer turns up on time to find that the customer is not present. But the provider doesn’t currently plan to enforce this.
At present, the telecoms giant’s policy is that if an engineer (usually from Openreach) misses a customer’s scheduled appointment, or changes it with less than 24 hours’ notice, then customers will receive £31.19 for each missed appointment. This charge aligns with Ofcom’s system of Automatic Compensation. Openreach have, in recent years, also helped to reduce missed appointments by improving direct customer communications (here).
The problem is that this door swings both ways – sometimes engineers turn up to find nobody is home, which can be a costly waste of their time. According to the leak, some 10% of fibre broadband (FTTC/P/SOGEA) installs are allegedly missed on the day by customers, despite various reminders being sent.
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The indication seems to be that BT are planning to get a bit tougher with this, but they won’t hit anybody with the charge itself.. yet: “The “possible” charge is being advised to encourage customers to re-book appointments if they cannot meet it. At this point we won’t be adding the charge while we work through the finer details and impact of the charges, but we do reserve the right to charge and may do so in the future,” said an allegedly internal BT email.
The policy would not actually be all that unusual for the industry. A number of internet providers already take a similar approach, and a few years back Virgin Media took plenty of flak from customers when they introduced a £25 charge for missed appointments (here). As we said back then, it’s easy to see why such a charge might be greeted negatively, particularly as some people can easily take longer than others getting to the door (e.g. disability, being on the toilet / in a shower or being at the wrong end of the garden etc.).
Part of the problem is that, after ringing the doorbell and knocking on the door, engineers are sometimes too quick to leave the premises and mark the event as a missed appointment. Sometimes a quick call to the customer’s phone and then mobile number, especially if done beforehand, is all that it would take to avoid this happening, but not always. In the past we’ve also seen other cases of engineers, working as contractors, not turning up but then marking cases as a missed appointment.
Naturally, ISPreview queried this with BT. The provider did not furnish us with a comment, but they did state that this is not a new charge and that they have always had a policy in place that if you agree to an engineer appointment slot and are not available for this, BT may raise a charge on your account. But the provider said it remained at their discretion whether to raise the charge or not.
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The general home broadband T&C‘s do state that “if you need to change or cancel an appointment, you must tell us at least two working days beforehand“, although they don’t appear to explicitly state a “missed appointment fee” for customers in those general terms. No specific figure, like £50, is mentioned anywhere, but in some places there are suggestions of potentially charging a fee similar to the installation cost (note: their broadband packages currently have an upfront fee of £0).
BT told us that they are not threatening customers, but instead aim to make them aware of a potential charge if they are not available for their engineer appointment. BT added that it was in their interest to connect customers as soon as possible and avoid any delays.
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I agree, I used to fix domestic appliances, the times the customer was out, you’d give them a grace period like 10 minutes, no one in leave a card , then you’d get a call from the office, can you “nip” back, well that’s all well and good, but now that’s my time and me getting home later without extra pay.
It’s also unfair on other customers as they have to wait around because your nipping back to the customer who was out, rarely did I get thanked, unless it was a quick repair, I’d tell the customer I’d have to order spares , even if I had them in the van, just so I could get on with my day. For once I agree with BT.
“Part of the problem is that, after ringing the doorbell and knocking on the door, engineers are sometimes too quick to leave the premises and mark the event as a missed appointment.”
A larger part of the problem is that roughly a quarter of engineers don’t actually show up and mark it as missed regardless. This has been investigated and evidence submitted to Operations teams without any action. The biggest example of this behaviour is easily searchable (Timothy Knibbs versus Openreach employment tribunal). However with Openreach reliance on contractors over direct staff due to budget cuts, those contractors are paid per job and it’s also been noted internally that 20-30% of those jobs are closed as complete or sent back as missed.
As a customer I’ve also had this myself. An engineer physically standing in my living room telling me he didn’t have the tools for the job then marking it as a customer-missed appointment. As part of the great Consumer machine, we’re screaming into the void reporting these things while customers and agents are the only ones suffering consequence.
Hehe I just covered this with a real scenario on forum lol.
It could be a good idea – especially wh we ‘re the customer does this frequently, but. But it is also needed where the supplier either doesn’t arrive in the allotted time span of even worse, before or late, especially when there is an agreed date for the work to be carried out.
As long as the Openreach staff can be trusted not to falsely mark down missed appointments. Unfortunately it appears that may not always be the case.
This isn’t workable when so many openreach engineers never show up and mark it as missed. I’ve had 3 engineer no shows out of 5 for my full fibre installation, and I’ve had to fight them listing it as “customer not available”.
Also crazy to do this when the timeslot is so large (5 hours). At the very minimum the engineer should call you when 30-60 mins away, and then again when at the property, before fining customers. I believe they are supposed to do this, but I’ve never seen that happen in practice.
Does that mean Openreach will actually turn up at the confirmed time & date?
I’ve had Openreach turn up 3 weeks early for an appointment & then not bother to turn up for a further appointment.
Do they have trackers on the vans OR maybe they need to have the customer sign an electronic document to prove they have turned up & done the appointment as arranged.