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A1 Telekom First to Connect Customer via 536Mbps G.fast Broadband

Thursday, October 16th, 2014 (11:48 am) - Score 1,466

Austrian ISP A1 Telekom (Telekom Austria Group) and Alcatel-Lucent claim to have connected the first customer in the world to a domestic copper telecoms network using G.fast (ITU G.9700/1) technology, which some predict could eventually replace BT’s up to 80Mbps capable Fibre-to-the-Cabinet (FTTC) service in the United Kingdom.

As a quick re-cap, G.fast is roughly similar to FTTC except that the high-capacity fibre optic cable ends up being taken even closer to homes than your local street cabinet and this means shorter copper lines, which delivers even better performance. Naturally it’s a bit more complicated than that, but for now we’ll just keep it simple.

Sadly the official press release doesn’t offer a lot of new information and merely states that the customer experienced data rates of “more than100Mbps (Megabits per second) per household via existing copper lines, while also highlighting the need for copper line lengths of sub-250 metres.

Hannes Ametsreiter, CEO Telekom Austria Group, said:

We’re proud to have succeeded in connecting the first customer in the world to our domestic A1 network with G.fast. This technology will enable us to offer urban areas data rates ten, even up to twenty, times higher than ever before. Fiber to the home remains our long term vision, but we consider G.fast as an intelligent interim solution until fiber will have a similar coverage as we have with copper now.

This might merely be a case of managing expectations for the mass market because we know that G.fast can go well beyond 100Mbps, although the dizzy claims of 1Gbps are almost certainly an expectation too far (lest we not forget that ISPs have to pay a lot of money for such capacity), and even existing VDSL2 (FTTC) connections could deliver the kind of performance mentioned for A1’s first customer above.

By comparison BT has already tested a mock-up style G.fast solution with three demonstration homes at their Adastral Park engineering HQ in Ipswich (here and here), which delivered download speeds of approaching 800Mbps (albeit only at 19 metres from the local node). However, unlike A1’s actual customer trial, BT’s test was not conducted using commercial grade kit or as part of a real-world deployment; this will no doubt be next on their to-do list, especially now that the necessary hardware is finally starting to appear (here).

As usual we weren’t happy with the limited information in A1’s PR and so we contacted Alcatel-Lucent in the hope of learning a few more details. According to AL, a speedtest conducted by the A1 customer yesterday delivered impressive download speeds of 536Mbps and uploads of 116Mbps, although crucially we don’t know the length of their copper line or if the infrastructure was co-existing with VDSL2 services (can cause performance loss). But at least this sounds like a more reflective performance for G.fast and is probably still on a fairly short run of copper.

Apparently a joint AL and A1 “lab test” conducted last year achieved 1.1Gbps, which is similar to an early lab test that BT conducted, although these are almost never reflective of actual real-world performance; kindly take such things with a shovel of salt.

Never the less the fact that A1 has connected an actual subscriber, not an employee or engineer at a demo facility, is a significant achievement and means they can examine a real-world deployment, including any related customer issues that might crop up. But even A1 doesn’t expect the service to receive a commercial launch until 2016.

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  1. Avatar adslmax

    Look like BT will do G.Fast on FTTC soon.

    • No, it doesn’t. G.fast is not an FTTC technology so don’t get your hopes up.

      Given the not exactly enormous uptake of FTTC in your area, your Huawei 288 is only 8% used I believe, about 20 connections so not even half a line card, BT may not consider it economically viable to invest further in the area for a while.

      It will be interesting to see how, when we get to 2016-2017 and they are perhaps considering it, they decide on which areas they will invest in.

      I wouldn’t be overly surprised if they target VM areas first. Joys of being a monopoly, can roundly shaft the areas that have no other options and decide where and when to build with a dartboard and blindfold.

  2. Avatar FibreFred

    Oh look another provider deciding gfast is a good next step , maybe it’s not a Bt only shambles after all

    • Avatar No Clue

      No it is only the shambles that is BT these lot have also done REAL fibre upto 1Gb products for a while…
      http://www.a1.net/business/produkte-loesungen/a1-breitband-corporate-tarif

    • Avatar Unknown101

      Last time I checked BT offered businesses ethernet fibre circuits? Seen as that A1 link is a business link I assume it’s the same sort of product being offered 2Mbps-1Gbps.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      Indeed, its a business offering and BT have been offering gig internet for ages 🙂

      No cigar this time…

    • Avatar No Clue

      Only 1Gb service BT offer is leased line. SO NO BT dont offer what A1 do at all.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      Leased line is such a an old term but if you insist on calling it that, what do A1 provide then if not a leased line?

      Bearing in mind your argument was lost yesterday 🙂

    • Avatar GNewton

      “maybe it’s not a Bt only shambles after all”

      Certainly not. But that doesn’t make BT any better, BT is in shambles, no doubt about it. Only hardcore BT trolls, or its greedy shareholders, or ASA brainwashed people, would think otherwise.

      About the a1.net: They do offer fibre broadband for businesses in Austria, unlike BT in the UK which can only do Ethernet and/or leased lines in most cases, and this not even everywhere. And A1 offers IPv6, unlike BT Business DSL products. Also. A1 already had more than 50% of households covered by their fibre-optic network more than 2 years ago (2012). In fact, the first customers in Vienna were connected to 1Gbit/s lines back in 2010!

    • Avatar No Clue

      “Leased line is such a an old term but if you insist on calling it that, what do A1 provide then if not a leased line?”

      I do not insist on calling BTs product a leased line, that is what the idiot organisation BT still choose to call it. If it is an “old term” i suggest you take it up with them.

      The product A1 supply is not the same as BT leased lines. If you can manage to figure out how to use google translate you may be able to read the page in English to know what their actual product is.

    • Avatar No Clue

      As to arguments yesterday i have no idea what you are talking about. Then again you have so many guises i guess it could had been a conversation with anyone here, after all you have more aliases than a KGB spy with a personality disorder.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      “Indeed, its a business offering and BT have been offering gig internet for ages”

      🙂

    • Avatar GNewton

      “Indeed, its a business offering and BT have been offering gig internet for ages”

      Repeating wrong statements doesn’t make them true. Where does BT offer Gigabit/sec fibre broadband lines (FTTP) to private consumers? See e.g.

      http://www.pressetext.com/news/20110321017

      You may also want to learn about the difference between broadband lines and leased lines while we are at it.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      ” Where does BT offer Gigabit/sec fibre broadband lines (FTTP) to private consumers? ”

      And where do I say they do?

      Oh come on Mr Newton you really must try harder, feel free to pull apart what I’ve said but please ensure I actually said it first!

      I said

      “Indeed, its a business offering and BT have been offering gig internet for ages”

      And… Indeed they have:-

      http://www.globalservices.bt.com/uk/en/products/internet_connect_uk

      It used to be called BTNet UK, been around so long its even been re branded 🙂

    • Avatar GNewton

      Those BT trolls are hopeless, they can’t even read what is written here on the forum.

      For anyone else here: A1 signed up the first private non-business customer to a 1 Gigabit/sec fibre broadband service in Vienna, Austria, back in 2010. By contrast, BT does not offer any 1Gigabit/sec fibre broadband lines at all in the UK, not even for its BT Infinity Option 3/4 packages. And you won’t see any G.fast and/or vectored VDSL lines from BT anytime soon either. VDSL is simply the wrong technology, it is not a commercially viable technology for more than 1/3 of the UK to start with, nor is it future proof.

    • Avatar No Clue

      AS pointed out to him BT only do leased lines at 1Gb and to get one will cost you thousands of pounds. He does not comprehend A1’s product is entirely different, or more likely he does and has just decided to continue talking utter dribble like he normally does.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      1) Its not a forum
      2) If you are going to respond to what I wrote, read what I wrote, don’t write another version for your own purposes

    • Avatar No Clue

      Almost as dumb as the quote in his product he posted “We’re the UK’s number one internet access provider” LMAO since when was BT rated number 1 in anything, except foolish minds?

    • Avatar No Clue

      “2) If you are going to respond to what I wrote, read what I wrote, don’t write another version for your own purposes”

      Not another version for my own benefit at all……

      YOUR LINK
      http://www.globalservices.bt.com/uk/en/products/internet_connect_uk

      FIRST LINE IN YOUR LINK…
      “Get your business internet connection anywhere in the UK from the country’s leading LEASED LINE access provider. It’s fast and reliable, so you and your customers can count on it.”

      AS SAID BT PRODUCT IS LEASED LINE. TOTALLY DIFFERENT PRODUCT

      I suggest you read links before posting them in a rage to try to prove you are right.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      Its 1Gbps internet which is what I said… I suggest you start jogging..

    • Avatar TheFacts

      It says ‘exclusive internet connection’ ie. dedicated circuit.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      ^ Irrelevant though

      I said 1Gbps internet I didn’t say point to point or multipoint just 1Gbps internet

    • Avatar No Clue

      “Its 1Gbps internet which is what I said… I suggest you start jogging..”

      No what you actually said was…
      http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2014/10/a1-telekom-austria-connects-first-customer-to-536mbps-g-fast-broadband.html#comment-148365
      ‘Leased line is such a an old term but if you insist on calling it that, what do A1 provide then if not a leased line?’

      And as i have shown you A1s product is not a leased line. As i also pointed out old term or not you better let BT know your thoughts as its them that refer to their product as a LEASED LINE.

      Its not my fault you are too stupid to comprehend BTs product is entirely different to A1s 1Gb product.

    • Avatar GNewton

      It is obvious that some of the BT trolls here don’t understand the difference between a leased line and a broadband line. If you haven’t been brainwashed by BT, you can do Google search for BT Infinity Option 3/4, or its more expensive FoD products. Though hardly used, nor hardly available by ISPs, they are there in theory.

      In the case of A1 Telekom: They are far more advanced when it comes to fibre broadband (not the ASA-style copper fraudband version!). For instance, A1 offers the ‘A1 Glasfaser
      Power 100’ option, a genuine 100Mbp/s fibre product, for €44.90, with unlimited usage, in quite a few parts of Austria, especially in Vienna. And they do fibre broadband for businesses, too. By comparison, BT is years behind and almost exclusively focusing on VDSL technologies only, this is NOT a future-proof technology, nor is it economically viable in the long term.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      I’ll leave you guys to chat amongst yourselves about a different subject 😉

    • Avatar No Clue

      Its obvious freddy does not even understand this company has done FTTH since 2011, starting off with 100Mb downloads and have increased from there…
      http://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2011/11/08/a1-launches-ftth-in-two-more-viennese-districts/

      Amazing he can research everything good about BT but not any other company.

    • Avatar Raindrops

      LOL leased line is an `old term` which apparently its only others `insist` on referring to it as so then he points to a product that is called leased line LOL. This place would not be the same without him ROFL

    • Avatar TheFacts

      Several million is peanuts compared to the billions going to the likes of EDF etc.

    • Avatar No Clue

      And now you multi ID rage this evening is so mad it is replying to things in the wrong place… Priceless!

    • Avatar Raindrops

      Have you not seen the latest we are now also adslmax LOL. He really has had a meltdown this evening, good job the weekend is just about over, we can hope he will be back under his rock for a few days.

    • Avatar No Clue

      Looks like he has whined with his multiple disposable email addresses to Mark about the other thread. I guess it was easier than learning to count 😉

  3. Avatar Darren

    Faster upload please. Just had to leave my computer on 24/7 for 12 days to complete an upload, 19Mbps isn’t fast enough.

    • Avatar God

      You needed to upload 2.46 terabytes?!

    • Avatar No Clue

      Poor lad has maths issues under many guises

    • Avatar TheFacts

      Please give us your calculation.

      19Mbits/s /8*60*60*24*12 = 2.46Tbytes.

    • Avatar No Clue

      Err that was my point, i doubt “darren” had 2.46TB to upload

    • Avatar FibreFred

      What does the amount to upload have to do with maths issues , sounds like your usual back peddle when seeing the formula laid out

    • Avatar No Clue

      His upload rate has nothing to do with the issue, the amount of data he would like us to think he is uploading does. Im not even sure where you would get a service at reasonable cost which would allow you to upload 2.46TB in one whack. I assume they do exist, i do not assume he has one or has any need to upload that amount of data to it in a single go though.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      Maths issues , you where saying the poster ‘god’ had poor maths skills , why?

    • Avatar Raindrops

      No residential upload/back up service will allow you to be connected for “12 days” straight. Many of them will not even go at your FULL upload (IE the 19Mb) rate.

      Even if it did the calculation of 2.46TB for “12 days” would still be wrong unless he did nothing else with his connection for 12 solid days.

      Id personally say you/he has issues bigger than maths, but also personality and common sense. But we all knew that already.

    • Avatar No Clue

      Please do not speak common sense to him especially any that involves numbers it will send him into another meltdown.

    • Avatar Darren

      It was 1.66TB to be precise, the first few days I was uploading sporadicly and the remote server was slower between 4-9AM every day. With my regular monthly uploads added on total uploads for last month was 1.93TB.

      I don’t need to upload TBs of data every month but faster uploads would help when I do and also day to day because I still upload between between 70-200GB/month on a regular basis.

      There’s no problem maxing the upload 24/7, I did it a while ago for 4 days with no slowdowns. The connection is totally usable aswell, you wouldn’t even know the upload was maxed.

      Faster uploads help in any situation, faster the better.

  4. Slowly progressing but I do hope no-one is expecting to be able to buy a G.fast service from Openreach any time soon.

    They have, outside of BDUK, set out their NGA spending plans for a while and they are pretty minimal.

    Those with the best chance of getting access to ultrafast in the medium term are those who are close to existing VM areas and those in areas to be covered by BDUK projects.

    Everyone else who already has access to it enjoy your VDSL 2, it’s all you’re getting for the foreseeable. 🙂

    • Avatar No Clue

      “Everyone else who already has access to it enjoy your VDSL 2, it’s all you’re getting for the foreseeable.”

      Indeed and probably be a few years before we even get vectoring or profile 30 on that.

    • Avatar adslmax

      Any idea of when will profile 30a roll out by BT?

    • Avatar Raindrops

      Roughly the same time some individuals here learn to count. So hopefully within 10 years if lucky. As to G.Fast expect that when BT can be bothered to dig up endless miles of streets/and/or buy thousands of miles more of fibre cable. In the case of them funding things thereself like others do expect that to be never, in the case of more government funding expect it when the government get bored of BT begging and they cave in and give them more of your hard earned taxes. ETA probably 5 years.

    • Avatar TheFacts

      Like all the other industries we subsidise.

    • Avatar Raindrops

      Really, there are private industries the tax payer have funded to the tune of several million in a less than 5 years that then go on to provide a service which will need significant upgrades in the next 5 years? Oh please do tell us all who these private industries are.
      (Here comes another bunch of BT defensive cack)

    • Avatar TheFacts

      Several million is peanuts compared to the billions going to the likes of EDF etc.

    • Avatar TheFacts

      Are you proposing a government funded 100% FTTP rollout?

    • Avatar No Clue

      Are you proposing no funding in the energy infrastructure? Works for me less energy for BT to waste powering FTTC.

    • Avatar TheFacts

      Did I say that? Do you propose a full FTTP rollout?

    • Avatar Raindrops

      Oh i see the “somerset” must ask stupid questions for everything character and not use that name on ISPReview is on about Hinkley point C again. Obviously he would prefer us all to have regular powercuts, not create new jobs and continue to import energy all at the same time as confusing any of that to have anything to do with investment in an outdated BT product.

      Or maybe its more simply than that and he is just a NIMBY.

      LOL

    • Avatar TheFacts

      You miss the point. If we can subsidise the railways and power industry why not telecomms for a full FTTP rollout?

    • Avatar No Clue

      What full FTTP rollout? BT even with subsidy have failed to deliver the amount/percent of FTTP they originally promised and scrapped that rollout. Id rather not hand them billions more based on their “word” they will deliver something, when clearly they do not. They have no credibility left, if my taxes are going to be spent on a guaranteed FTTP rollout i want either a company that does not keep altering prices to do it or if its 100% government funded they should own it and then lease it to the likes of BT, much like they lease exchange space to LLUs.

      Oh and BTW before you think that is wrong and a bad thing, that is how the train system you now have a problem with also works, a company owns the track and leases its use to other rail companies.

      BT can not even be compared to any transport infrastructure. The trouble with ‘people’ like you is you just think money for the rail industry is a waste as your comfort on a train is not good enough. Though i doubt you hardly ever use a train, narrow minded people never go far.

      You do not stop to think about how it helps the economy. Try going to a main dock at some point in your life early in in the morning and watch all the freight that gets loaded on to trains, everything from the fruit you eat in a supermarket to new car imports. Maybe you do not want the ability to be able to buy food here anymore?

      I suspect Raindrops has it right with your power example also, you would sooner no new jobs be created in a sector that is needed and we all sit in darkness. All because as he said you are a “NIMBY”. I prefer to be kinder and just call it narrow minded. Someone that would sooner his sharepocket benefit with BT investment rather than things actually needed to physically keep the country running. Like transport and power.

      Your comparisons much like your questioning whether you call yourself Somerset, Thefacts or any other name the hour of the day dictates is pathetic, incomparable and in general ridiculous.

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