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Quickline Bring Wireless Broadband to North Lincolnshire via Churches

Saturday, November 22nd, 2014 (1:05 am) - Score 1,279

Various rural parts of North Lincolnshire (England) are starting to benefit after fixed wireless broadband ISP Quickline began making use of around 30 local churches and village halls in order to deploy their so-called “AIRFibre” service, which offers Internet download speeds of up to 8-15Mbps (uploads of up to 10Mbps).

The service might not sound particularly fast, but it’s often a big improvement on what related communities could get before (usually sub-2Mbps via BT lines). In one example a 12th Century church (St. Edmunds) in the remote village of Riby was turned into a repeater site for the wireless network, which allowed their service to be distributed around the local community.

The Church of St. Radegund in Grayingham has also done something similar and there are plenty of others.

Sally Vergette, Member of the Parochial Church Council at St Edmunds, said:

We had been concerned that this beautiful building wasn’t fully utilised by local residents and that as it wasn’t being used we may lose it. So, over the last year we have been running film screenings and other events as a way of bringing people together and also as a way of raising funds for the up-keep of St. Edmunds.

We know that not everyone likes going to church for religious reasons so we are making other uses of the building and now I am pleased to say that it is well used by villagers living in Riby and the surrounding area, it acts as a community hub for events and celebrations as well as church services and ceremonies.

It is also acting as a repeater site for businesses and residents in the surrounding area who will be able to connect their property to the internet. Many people around here are subject to very slow internet speeds, sometimes as low as 0.2Mbs which makes downloading information from the internet almost impossible. This installation of high speed internet really brings this ancient church and surrounding properties into the 21st Century.”

Steve Bolan, Director at Quickline Communications, added:

We are continuing to expand and upgrading right across our network to provide superfast speeds for Greater Lincolnshire, East Riding and North Yorkshire. Our new superfast products have just been launched in Scunthorpe for both businesses and residential customers. We are additionally working with West Lindsey District Council to deliver super fast internet to the last 10 per cent of the District.”

The West Lindsey District Council currently aims to make a minimum broadband download speed of 2Mbps available to everybody by 2017, which forms one part of the wider Northernlincs Broadband project that is currently rolling out BT’s fixed line “high-speed fibre broadband” (FTTC/P) network to cover 92% of North and North East Lincolnshire by spring 2015.

Meanwhile customers who sign-up to Quickline’s service typically pay around £27.50 per month (plus £195 installation), which includes an unlimited usage allowance and free WiFi router. No phone line is required, so you don’t have to pay phone line rental. A Pay-As-You-Go option is also available that provides something similar for £5 per day, £15 a week or £30 per month.

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  1. Avatar DTMark says:

    Would it not be a good idea for wireless provider to make certain that at least a handful, maybe 10% of properties in the service area, can see over 24Mbps?

    Then they could call it superfast broadband in their marketing and this would in theory make it less likely that they will be overbuilt, since they’ll be providing a service which for speed purposes can be called (hilariously) “Next Generation Access”.

    1. Avatar Steve Jones says:

      Wireless is even more subject to the “up to” limits as DSL. DSL attenuation increases linearly with distance; wireless signal strength goes as to the inverse square law…

      ps. I cheat a bit. Higher frequencies attenuate faster on longer distances, so the comparison is not a simple linear vs square of distance relationship. However, the principle is still there. The “up to” principle holds at least as much for wireless as for copper. (Unidirectional wireless systems have greater reach than omni-directional, but they still follow that unavoidable inverse square law rule).

    2. Avatar No Clue says:

      Nonsense you need to be within 100M of the exchange on ADSL to see 24Mb you do not on a wireless service you can be several miles away from the transmission source.

    3. Avatar gerarda says:


      Your comment ignores the fact that a wireless will still be giving a reasonable signal at a distance well beyond the reach of ADSL or VDSL

    4. Avatar Steve Jones says:


      Fair enough, but within reason. Yes, you can extend range using omnidirectional antennas (fair enough for fixed broadband), but there is a big potential to hit line-of-sight issues. Also, performance (depending on the frequency being used) can be heavily impacted by rain. If wireless had been a good general solution, then it would have been ubiquitous. As it is, it has a place for some hard-to-reach areas, but it has issues of its own, so it has its own “up to” issues.

    5. Avatar DTMark says:

      It’s not really about the reality, though. It’s all about the marketing.

      As an example, for some reason, VDSL is called ‘NGA’ when there is nothing next-generation about fibre to the cabinet, is there – haven’t we had it for about 50 years? (Cable) So, “next” generation isn’t about the method of delivery, is it.

      Is it about the actual speeds? Well, no, not really. VDSL is considered to be NGA even though it can’t service all users with superfast or indeed any particular speeds. So it isn’t about the speeds, either; in any given area, wireless could comfortably outperform VDSL for every single user connected to it depending on where the cab is and how the wireless is implemented.

      So it just strikes me that they’re missing several tricks, perhaps they’re being too honest about the service’s capabilities for their own good, bearing in mind how this industry necessarily works largely because regulation of advertising is poor, because the definitions are permitted to be so poor. Like ‘fibre’, for example.

    6. Avatar FibreFred says:

      Not sure why you are so hung up on the “Next Gen” tag?

      Its quite simply the next generation after the last, dial-up -> ISDN -> ASDL -> VDSL

    7. Avatar gerarda says:

      @steve jones

      The problem with wireless is not so much that is it weather affected per se but that the maintenance issues particularly that of repeater stations are greater that for ADSL.

      However had there not been a predatory ex public monopoly competing with them I think there would been much more wireless being used, and it really ought to have been the overlay solution to provide USC in rural counties

    8. Avatar Steve Jones says:


      So you have evidence that BT’s build out of ADSL was predatory? For it to qualify as such, you’d have to show that BT had spent money on fundamentally uneconomic investments with the primary purpose of driving weaker competition out of the market. If you read the relevant competition law, simply investing in profitable infrastructure is not considered predatory behaviour, even if competitors find it difficult to compete.

      The truth is, telecoms infrastructure is expensive and incumbents have natural advantages. If those are abused through illegal activity it counts as predatory. If it’s just that smaller operators simply can’t compete due to cost, scale and other issues it’s bad luck to them, but it’s not predatory behaviour.

      Also, are there any comparable countries where commercial wireless has a significant market share (apart from mobile of course).

      I suspect you are just using predatory as an emotive term, and not a legal one. Here’s some government issued guidance on abuse of dominant positions.


    9. Avatar gerarda says:

      @steve jones

      Yes first hand experience, similar to the tactics BT are adopting at Dolphinholme. It may or may not be legally abusive but it is one of the reasons why in this part of the Country those working for BT tend to keep it quiet or apologise for doing so.

    10. Avatar Steve Jones says:


      So your expecting commercial companies to just give up whole areas of business, just because to compete causes problems to local companies? It isn’t going to happen is it? One man’s predatory behaviour is just another’s fair competition. Quite where the boundary is, comes down to the courts and regulators.

      There is, of course, a much stronger point where public finances are used. It would be an abuse if a commercial company was allowed carte-blanche to direct such investment solely in the their own interest. However, that’s why there are EU state aid laws and priorities are meant to be set by public officials. In the case of Dolphinholme, then ask the local BDUK project. They ultimately set the priorities and it’s up to them where that goes (subject, of course, to planning).

      One thing I don’t understand, is that there was an OMR. Was Dolphinolme covered by B4RN’s submission? If so, there is a clear case for judicial review if it appears to have been ignored. If, however, B4RN decided not to submit something, then maybe that’s why there’s overlap (although from what I can see, it’s only partial).

    11. Avatar FibreFred says:

      I don’t think they submitted Steve

    12. Avatar gerarda says:

      The state aid rules as lobbied for by BT probably ruled out B4RN on open access grounds.

      And yes I do think a privatised monopoly should be subject to tighter regulation and not be allowed for example to waived ADSL trigger levels in an exchange because an Altnet was present.

    13. Avatar Steve Jones says:


      You are confusing OMR with tendering for a contract. It’s not necessary to tender in order to respond to the OMR with intentions to provision an NGA in a given area.

      Having now looked at a blog by Barry Forde, it appears that they did not respond to the OMR as to do so would mean they couldn’t apply for public funds to assist with rollout.

      nb. as for open access requirements for state aided infrastructure, that’s mandated by EU state aid rules. It’s potentially quite an issue for small altnets, not least because small-scale wholesaling presents major problems, both for the altnet and for the service providers due to systems integration issues.

    14. Avatar gerarda says:

      I am not confusing OMR with tendering. The state aid rules are not “potentially” a barrier they are main reason why the BDUK rollout has been such a farce.

    15. Avatar No Clue says:

      The only one confused is the idiot that thinks ADSL delivers 24Mb at the same distance as Wireless products.

  2. Avatar dragoneast says:

    As a long term Fixed Wireless user, distance isn’t the great issue. You either get a signal or not, and the main issue is obstructions e.g. tall buildings and geography (hills and heavy tree cover can play havoc). The other impacts on speed are contention (a heavy user in your sector can play havoc) and the backhaul, and some of the older equipment is restricted in what it can achieve. I usually get nigh on full speed for my service at 5 miles from the transmitter (but I’m lucky being on the opposite side of a river valley, so both me and the transmitter sit on top of a hill). The air doesn’t need human maintenance or repairs (which used to be an issue with the DSL local loop and exchange faults, though reliability has improved vastly with FTTC and after years of repairs along the (underground) local loop length), and even heavy rain doesn’t make a noticeable difference to my wireless connection, though of course you need reliable power supplies at both ends.

    1. Avatar No Clue says:

      Thanks for clearing up not one but two posts of complete FUD by the local fool.

  3. Avatar Rog Burton says:

    I’m inclined to agree with “dragoneast”, we’ve had fixed wireless since October 2013 with Quickline Communications and apart from the odd outage due to network maintenance and expansion it’s been good and worlds better than BT Broadband.
    In fact I spent some 4 years writing on BT’s own broadband help forum about the aspects of line derived broadband, and helping EUs with REIN problems, keeping away from banded line profiles, and getting the best out of the line algorithm imposed on every BT telephone line. What BT users don’t tend to grasp too well, is that their linespeed is set according to pre-requisits and loop conditions, and in satisfying several aspects of a measuring algorithm imposed by their local MSAN at the exchange. Even then if all is well, there is contention to deal with and often hot virtual paths on many of the BT network backhaul VPs. Admittedly FTTC has seen improvements to the BT network, but even then there is still the problem of the algorithm run last “mile” from EU to street cabinet.Fibre is fine, but where there are wires involved (as well) it’s not all roses.
    On the other hand, our wireless broadband with Quickline suffers no such impediments .. why would it? no wires to worry about. No flooded line boxes, tree branches, old oxidised joints to add line crackle, extra loop loss and induced algorithm controlled reduction in linespeed.
    As for weather we’ve had everything, and can say hand on heart it’s never affected our wireless signal at all … rain, snow, wind, fog whatever … makes no difference. I often check our CCQ/noise floor figures in all conditions and they rarely change much at all, and thus sustaining a reliable connection and good SNR signal.
    And what’s more it is totally symmetrical, up and down speeds virtually the same allowing good crackle free VOIP telephone calls and reduction in monthly bills by scrubbing the BT line rental.
    Presently we’re on 4G wireless, and soon to be upgraded to 5G with possible up to speeds of 100mbits.
    To me wireless broadband solutions are a no-brainer, and especially in rural areas where BT won’t go with their fibre.
    Engineering costs are relatively low for wireless compared to fibre based VDSL and frankly quicker to install as well, given good mast locations … and as for me, I’m converted.

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