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A Case of Confusing Delays and FTTP Availability on Openreach’s Network

Saturday, Dec 17th, 2022 (12:01 am) - Score 9,520
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It’s happened to a few people. You move into a new house and are told by your ISP that Openreach’s Fibre-to-the-Premises (FTTP) broadband network is available to the property, but soon after placing your order it becomes clear that some part of the network hasn’t been completed. Cue several months of waiting.

The situation described above is what recently happened to one of our readers, Jack, when he moved into a new house during October 2022. The house was showing up in various availability checkers as being covered by the FTTP network, and Jack wasted no time in placing an order with UK ISP Sky Broadband (20th Oct) for one of their Full Fibre packages. But problems soon emerged.

In this case, Sky contacted Jack to inform him that they didn’t have the necessary “equipment” to complete his installation and Openreach would thus need to conduct a survey, before being able to set a final date for the installation (the original date was 25th Nov). A full month passed with no movement from either Sky or Openreach, during which time the house was without any fixed line internet connectivity.

In a normal situation it can take anything from a few days (e.g. if the property has had FTTP before from the same operator) and up to 2-3 weeks to get a new FTTP line installed from Openreach, depending upon the circumstances and local resources etc. Most lines are deployed fairly quickly.

However, some more complex installs may require additional work (2 stage), such as surveys and street closures, which could take a little longer, albeit still usually measured in weeks rather than months. On the other hand, there are the extreme installs, which may attract excess construction charges, but that’s a different story (example). We suspect Jack was in the two-stage category.

Jack told ISPreview.co.uk:

“Currently having an issue when I’ve moved into a house that doesn’t have fibre but is on the street and so far I keep getting the usual messages from Sky, saying they don’t have the equipment. A survey was supposed to be done by now for an engineer to take a look, but so far no one has been to the property, leaving us without internet for over a month.

Unfortunately Sky have not been very helpful as they’re not able to communicate with Openreach it seems.”

It was around this time, after a month had passed with no certainty of when he might be connected, that Jack came home one day to find that some new fibre optic cabling had been taped up near to his house. But Sky was still unable to provide much clarity and, to make matters worse, the best they could do was to merely promise an “update” in mid-January 2023 (nearly three months on from the order!).

It was at this point that ISPreview.co.uk got involved and, after a couple of weeks of nudging, Openreach finally informed us earlier this month that all of the external work was now complete, and the operator just needed to speak to Jack to get his availability for the next few days, so they can complete the install inside his property. Brilliant we thought, finally some progress.

A spokesperson for Openreach said:

“We’re really sorry for the delay here and can understand how frustrating it must be for the customer. We have now completed the external work required for this install and are working with the customer to have the internal installation completed as soon as possible. This is a priority for us, and we hope to have the customer connected to the network in the coming days.”

Unfortunately, it wasn’t quite that simple, since Sky initially gave Jack a new installation date of 18th January 2023 – hardly an improvement. After a bit of pestering this was reduced down to 9th January, although that still meant waiting around another 6 weeks before being able to get his full fibre connection installed. Rather different from the “coming days” remark given by Openreach above.

Even the Sky person said at this point it shouldn’t take that long to complete and the date given is a bit much and too far away, so hopes that Openreach will contact me with a sooner date,” said Jack.

We found this all rather curious and continued to press Openreach for more detail on why the installation itself took so long, as well as why Jack is still being expected to wait almost a quarter of an entire year to get connected to a service that has remained – throughout all of this – marked as being “available” to his house, when the infrastructure clearly wasn’t yet in place.

The good news is that Openreach and Sky were eventually able to move Jack’s date forward to 21st December 2022 next week. The bad news is that Openreach did not respond to either of our two follow-up questions, which sought further detail on the underlying causes of the original delay. In fairness, this is unusual for Openreach, as they’re usually quite good at helping to fill in the blanks.

Sadly, this is not the first time that we’ve come across situations like this, and it should be said that such problems can occur on other networks too, which is why it’s wise never to assume that a new installation will always be completed within the typical 1-2 week wait. On the other hand, lengthy waits like this are somewhat of a rarity, but they clearly do happen.

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Mark is a professional technology writer, IT consultant and computer engineer from Dorset (England), he also founded ISPreview in 1999 and enjoys analysing the latest telecoms and broadband developments. Find me on X (Twitter), Mastodon, Facebook and .
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52 Responses
  1. Avatar photo Thomas Jones says:

    Nice wee auto comp amount am sure he be in line for there with a delayed provision:)
    Sad though that Sky will be the ones paying it as the ISP when the the delay was down to Openreach only by sounds of it.

    1. Avatar photo RobC says:

      Auto comp comes from Openreach and is paid as a credit automatically to the CP.

    2. Avatar photo Ex Telecom Engineer says:

      “Auto comp comes from Openreach and is paid as a credit automatically to the CP.”

      Wouldn’t that depend on the reasons for the delay? In this particular case the service is new from Openreach’s perspective and wouldn’t it have been Sky who requested installation dates, etc? It’s purely speculative to try and guess where the responsibility lies, for the delays, when the dates supplied for provisioning to Sky may have been further out than the customers moving date. I also read that Sky now have a co-provision agreement with Sky, is that yet in force?

      “We also finalized our co-provision agreement with Sky in a long-term deal. Under the agreement, Sky engineers will do the majority of the final in-premise installation for their connections on the Openreach network.”

      https://seekingalpha.com/article/4528117-bt-group-plc-btgof-ceo-philip-jansen-on-q1-2023-results-earnings-call-transcript

    3. Avatar photo anonymous says:

      BT/Openreach – crap as usual. Move on, nothing unexpected to see.

    4. Avatar photo GNewton says:

      @Ex Telecom Engineer:

      Your endless defense of Openreach is remarkable, but clearly the issue is with Openreach (and therefore with BT Group as the owner of Openreach), not it’s customers like Sky or other ISPs.

      It should not offer a service if it is not ready or unavailable, as simple as that!

      This country really deserves a better telecom service, not the BT farce.

    5. Avatar photo A_Builder says:

      As the OR engineer was coiling fibre up it is suggestive that OR hadn’t, in fact, placed the fibre….

      So it smells to me like OR were saying that this premises was passed when it wasn’t.

      This is not, of itself, a major problem.

      However, it gets problematic where DSLAMS are off or there are stop sells on FTTC when FTTP isn’t actually available.

      So who is auditing OR to ensure that passed means passed rather than boxes ticked?

      Their main financial auditors should do a random sample as this is key to OR’s real value.

    6. Avatar photo Andy Thompson says:

      That delay is nothing compared to one of our customers… they have been waiting since AUGUST for an FTTP, despite the address showing as available AND a connection going into the same building for another customer! We’ve had excuses after excuses after excuses and each time they miss their appointment date (5 I think now) we get yet another reason why they cant do the work!
      Openreach aren’t particularly good at the best of times, but now they are impossible to deal with and they never update you when they promise to, so we constantly have to chase them all the time just for some information.

    7. Avatar photo RobC says:

      @Ex Telecom Engineer:

      Not really, no. If the delay is on the Openreach side and they miss the original committed install date then Auto Compensation happens and it is credited directly to the CP the month after the circuit finally does go live.

      Source – We have received auto comp on many occasions so far and have two installs still open where AC is due on them when they finally go live.

      In terms of the Sky co-provision agreement – I can’t comment on that as I don’t know if it’s even live yet.

  2. Avatar photo jamie canning says:

    Ive been having this issue since april of this year with openreach. All they are saying its in back log of work. All the cabling is done they have told my ISP that it is all live and exturnal work is completed but still no fitting date. It just keeps getting pushed back. I just wish it would get sorted now. Lookly ive got standard FTTC but not the best thats why i put the order in for full fibre but i never new it would take this long to sort.

    1. Avatar photo Fastman says:

      Gnewton when was the last time you built or deployed am fttp network .the final drop is always the most difficult

      Being disingenous as ever

    2. Avatar photo GNewton says:

      @Fastman: I never said doing the final FTTP drop isn’t difficult, it can be at times.

      However, you don’t offer a service when it can’t be done in a timely manner, the telecom provider should know about the state of its infrastructure, and more importantly, it would go a long way if a telecom company could be bothered to communicate with its customers in case difficulties arise. Quite often the lack of communications between the parties involved makes things worse. This dodgy attitude is well documented, see e.g. https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/business.bt.com and other review sites.

      Customers truly deserve to be treated better here, and with more respect.

    3. Avatar photo XGS Is On says:

      Errors in records happen. Yet to see a telco with good communication skills, not that that excuses them but definitely not exclusively a BT phenomenon. The requirement for Openreach to give the appearance of being separate adds to their issues, though.

      The relevance of Trustpilot reviews of the B2B retailer to an article on Openreach is lost on me. Completely different business units with totally different competencies not sharing the same customer service staff. It’s about as relevant as linking Entanet reviews in an article on CityFibre or Zen Internet reviews in an article on Zen’s Wholesale products.

    4. Avatar photo dave says:

      luckily*

  3. Avatar photo RobC says:

    We’ve currently got order for a customer sitting at 89 days overdue but the best one we’ve got was placed on 22nd April and immediately went south when the surveyor (KCI 2 install) turned up to find that although the property was marked as RFS, nobody had actually built out the infrastructure to the area…

    Eventually got to the stage of customer install wherein the engineer took down the customer’s copper line before confirming that the fibre service was live and then discovered that the fibre wasn’t working. He then said he couldn’t reinstall the copper line because it was too dark and proceeded to leave the customer with no connectivity at all!

  4. Avatar photo Daniel says:

    Any information on what type of house this was? Said new house so is this a new build?
    I work connecting new builds up and the groundsmen can sometimes have problems with ducts. I’ve had customers waiting months to be connected because the groundsmen have put a duct in or made an error with the duct which makes it impossible to connect the property up.
    But for them to provide no information is stupid.

    1. Avatar photo Fastman says:

      New house I think not a new build house fundamental difference in those scenarios

  5. Avatar photo Jimmy says:

    Reminds me of moving into a house about ten years ago and asking Virgin Media if they could possibly provide service as they had coax just on the other side of a fence. They got in touch 6 months later to enquire if I was still interested and if so they’d survey… my response was not particularly warm!!

  6. Avatar photo Jazzy says:

    Happened to me on a smaller scale. Took me 2 and half months to have mine installed on what was an easy deployment as the manhole cover housing the fiber install is outside of my front gate

    First engineer arrived a month after the order was placed and wired the house to the fibre when I wasn’t home and left it outside of my front door all rolled up ready for the second phase. When they came 6 weeks later for the full install, the room the ONT needed to be placed in is on the other side of the house because my hallway does not have an electric socket in it and my study had the FTTC wired to there 10 years ago and my internet ethernet cabling was all originating from there.

    As he had not left enough cable it all had to be done again from the manhole cover the the house with a much longer cable. The two guys were very pleasant about it but it took them a lot longer than they anticipated

  7. Avatar photo Michael says:

    An email to Openreach CEO clive.selley@openreach.co.uk does a lot of good.

    1. Avatar photo Mary DAVIS-WALDMAN says:

      Thank you for the info. Just sent a message and received a reply in less than an hour. Remains to be seen whether my connection issue gets resolved

  8. Avatar photo Phil says:

    anonymous says:
    December 17, 2022 at 11:39 am

    BT/Openreach – crap as usual. Move on, nothing unexpected to see.

    BIG YES !!

    1. Avatar photo XGS Is On says:

      You seem awfully keen to get FTTP from this company given your opinion of them.

    2. Avatar photo Ad47uk says:

      @XGS Is On, I think Phil have been with more broadband providers than any other person I know. I think if they see his address on the order they think, oh no, not him
      the thing is, if he wants FTTP and there is no option but openreach what can he do? I am not a fan of openreach myself, which is one of the reason why I went onto a wireless network when it became available.

  9. Avatar photo Richard says:

    Got my install date today, for January 25th! That will be 3 months after order placed.

    Took 6 weeks before cable was run to the house, straightforward, no digging required as we already have trunking in place. Chased my ISP twice and replies from Openreach mentioned outstanding work required(?). Don’t understand what.

    I suspect it’s partly demand vs engineer availability. Must say I’m not too worked up, since I already have a good fttc connection, but am surprised at the long timescale. Neighbours have had much quicker installs that required street digging.

    1. Avatar photo XGS Is On says:

      ‘I suspect it’s partly demand vs engineer availability.’

      It is 100% this, Richard.

      Openreach have extensive form for underestimating the demand for their new products. They did it with FTTC and did it again with FTTP. They are really struggling to get the installs done quickly enough to get into the backlog.

      This is a really good thing on many levels but no question really annoying for those having to wait an age for an install.

    2. Avatar photo Contractor says:

      This seems accurate. Despite the timeline placed within the article, my company has warned that due to various factors we are looking at 2-3 months for the Openreach side to complete, not weeks. Unless there’s an ONT in place already, there is a huge backlog.

    3. Avatar photo Ad47uk says:

      @XGS Is On, while I am not a fan of Openreach, when I had FTTC installed they did it pretty quickly, that was also fitting the new master socket and filter. I had a phone line, but it was disconnected for over 2 years.
      My brother have just had BT FTTP installed, shame they did not go for ZZoomm, but there you go, anyway it did to take long from order to working

  10. Avatar photo Pheasant says:

    They are indeed thinly spread currently @XGS Is On – have variously read that the backlog is up to 7 weeks for new FTTP connections.

    Seems other parts of the OR business are equally stretched if my recent experience with a business fibre connection is anything to go by – missed appointments stretching back weeks, very frustrating but I get it in the present circumstances.

  11. Avatar photo Stuart gibson says:

    I bet that open reach didn’t send a 520 to confirm the date as a survey was needed, this means that since they didn’t give an exact date that the guy won’t get auto comp. A sky agent will most likely give a small goodwill gesture, if I were the customer I would push a complaint as far as cisas in order to get the correct goodwill gesture

  12. Avatar photo Matthew Conway says:

    Openreach have been crawling round our town like ants for well over a year, vans up and down our road for the last 6 months, but still no FTTP available, I guess it’s a tricky business, remaining patient when I only have 4g connectivity is difficult (fttc is available but it’s terrible, I get 0.3Mbps upload and 2-3 down, 4g isn’t hugely better at 3up and 10down)…. Can’t wait for fttc!

  13. Avatar photo The_other_MJ says:

    Located in block of flats, near central S. Devon seaside town. Our cabinet was in a lone not-spot for FTTC. Campaigned for over a year and eventually got it.
    Town has now been full of OR and contractors for nearly 2 years building fibre, there’s a lot of blocked ducts. Our building is served by a short GPO duct that was blocked where roadworks had damaged it as it left a large chamber about 25M away on a spine going up the hill. Got info from civils team who tried to clear.
    FFW 3 months, more civils came, dug a hole and said the same thing. By now surrounded by premises with FTTP so used the OR enquiry form 5/22.
    Took 3 weeks to and fro that seemed to be mostly confusion between OR depts, finally a “Planning Team” said FTTP would be built for us 7/22. Run up outside the building ….
    7/22 comes and goes. OR regularly work on the spine 25M away to extend to other areas. 10/22 Spotted a network contractor van by the block main entrance, bloke with his arm down a very small old GPO hole at our end of duct says he is indeed running Fibre through. Take a look, he has run multiple black flexi pipe, I believe it’s mini-ducting. No fibre in there to the building.

    To date -nothing new other than checker says FTTP OD speed is now 1000/220 – so spine a short way away must be lit?

    So delays -about 7 months so far from that OR statement re build. No other news, though Sky did send a circular 8/22 to the postcode saying Fibre for you soon!

    Time to use that OR form again, does anyone know if the OR system stores my previous enquiry?

    1. Avatar photo haha says:

      I the OR checker says you can 1000/220 you can get 1000/220 now – sorry not sure what OD meant but there you go.

    2. Avatar photo mj says:

      OD = On Demand =which is loadsa money. 8)

  14. Avatar photo Mat Fenwick says:

    We have a rural holiday let with no mobile signal, so are fairly reliant on the phone line. We have (had!) broadband download speeds of 4-5Mbps with an EE account, so jumped at the chance when BT Openreach added a fibre connection to the house. So we started looking for deals, and selected a package with Vodafone. Ordered it on the 23td October and were given a date of 16th November for connection…all well and good at this stage 🙂

    That date came and went with no contact, although we did get the new router a few days beforehand. After several calls to Vodafone it sounds like there is a problem further down the line (it is at the end of a 3km spur) and BT Openreach are working on it. Not ideal, but we’re no worse off that before, we can just sit and wait for high speed internet.

    Until this week, when EE messaged us to say that as requested, they are cancelling our service with immediate effect. Vodofone have obviously told them to do so, but crucially this is before we’ve actually got their service working. So we’re now left with no internet, and potentially worse, no means of making an emergency phone call!

    EE said they couldn’t reconnect as Vodafone were now the supplier, and Vodafone said they couldn’t cancel until the service went live, but couldn’t say when that would be. Eventually managed to cancel with Vodafone, but now EE are saying it requires an engineer visit, which will be January before that’s possible. Oh, and a £50 reconnection charge.

    I’d like compensation for this, and the loss of service but don’t really know how to go about it!

  15. Avatar photo Bob says:

    What does Not Yes available mean on the new Openreach checker ?

  16. Avatar photo Kekkle says:

    Interestingly I’ve just had a failed FTTP provision today, the engineer advised that ‘there’s a route issue between the pole and the rest of the network’ and that it might be due to being the first person in this area having had the service installed.

    Also wasn’t given any kind of ETA, just that it will now be sat with another team.

    Good job I had a gut feeling that there might be issues so didn’t cancel my FTTC yet!

    1. Avatar photo Kekkle says:

      This was after the fibre had been run to the house and ONT installed, etc. I might add.

    2. Avatar photo thehiker says:

      I currently have a similar problem to Kekkle. The internal part of my FTTP installation is complete but the OR engineer did not run the fibre optic cable to the house as all nodes on the local CBT had below minimum light levels. I have advised my ISP and we both await information from OR regarding the resolution of the light level problem and completion of the installation. I think I am the first order on this particular CBT as FTTP is currently being installed in my town and my area has only just gone live. I am surprised that OR has allowed orders when there is clearly a problem on my road. I would have thought that the integrity of the fibre optic network on my road would have been checked prior to allowing orders.

    3. Avatar photo Matt S says:

      How odd, I am experiencing the exact same with my new BT FTTP install, line all connected, light level tested at both the ONT and pole, both are low light.

      Install was on 05/12/22, with an exceptionally helpful Openreach subcontractor, have been calling BT each week for an update (2 calls) both of which the call handler gets onto a live chat with Openreach.

      No dates given from Openreach on when the issue will be looked into, just that there is a external/routing problem.

  17. Avatar photo Kekkle says:

    I’ve now been advised by my ISP that the update from Openreach is that they still have some work to do at their distribution point and that the next update will be at the earliest 3rd January. They did confirm that I’d be eligible for the automatic compensation of £5.25 however.

    Luckily my FTTC service is decent enough and I won’t cancel it until the FTTP is live so it’s not really causing any issue, though I have had to remount the ONT as the engineer installed it too low / with not enough slack so the fibre patch lead had about a 30degree bend in it!

  18. Avatar photo Jim says:

    I live right next door to someone who has FFTP provided by Gigaclear. We’ve been waiting over a year for connectivity! Gigaclear don’t even have our address on their postcode search correctly but continue to blame OpenReach. OpenReach won’t respond to any communications. Our MP wrote to Gigaclear on several occasions and, despite promises and surveys, still nothings happened! I’ve given up on mobile broadband and turned to Mr Musk for his satellite solution which we should get next month. We’re told that OpenReach must complete installs in our area (M4 corridor in Wiltshire) by the end of 2024. So, we’ll see what we shall see!

    1. Avatar photo XGS Is On says:

      So that’s utter nonsense. Openreach do installs if you’re connecting to their fibre network. If you’re using an altnet like, say, Gigaclear that are renting use of Openreach ducts it’s down to them to handle the install. Openreach are just leasing them space in ducts, what they do with it is down to them.

  19. Avatar photo Jack says:

    I am having the exact same problem currently, fibre in the area, sky sold me the dream, disconnected my old copper line and I’ve now been waiting a full month with no internet, multiple updates basically telling me nothing has happened yet. Unsure what to even do, currently having to pay for a WiFi dongle that hardly keeps up with emails as i work from home.

  20. Avatar photo rickydg says:

    Got exactly the same rubbish from Truespeed. Placed order October 26th for a property they said was covered by their network. Multiple calls to them after I placed the order and received no contact revealed “they had run out of capacity” in the area and would have to wait while they built more. Given two dates for install, both passed before they tell me a survey has been completed and will require a cherry picker to install. Further delay means currently due for install 3rd Jan – nearly 3 months since the order was placed. Wouldn’t be such a big deal if two of us didn’t work from home and we had an existing connection. Had to endure the minefield of 4g internet providers and routers capable of decent speeds and work VPNs. For something we all rely so heavily on, onboarding of this essential service is flaky at best, across most providers. We need basic service standards enforced by Ofcom to mitigate this nonsense.

  21. Avatar photo Danny says:

    Glad to have found this article.

    We’ve been at our new home for a month now. It’s not a new build but an old building (1950). I placed my order in December and it’s been 4 weeks now – my next date of hearing from BT is the 4th of January. That’s if it’s new “news”. I’ve told BT to not call me anymore unless it’s something worth listening to as they keep repeating the same excuse over n’ over and customer service is none existent. What’s crazy is one representative told me the reason for the delays and when I repeated the same information to another representative she was clueless as to where I found that out and couldn’t confirm if it was a fact. I’m at a complete loss.

    Luckily, BT has provided me with a EE Mini Hub to use in the meantime at no cost. It helps but it’s not enough with two people working at home and with streaming + gaming.

    I can’t do anything and it’s a shame Virgin is not available up here.

  22. Avatar photo Rob says:

    I have the exact same issue currently waiting 6 weeks. Waiting for an install with a functional fttc is one thing but with no connection at all is ridiculous. And no one will sell me fttc in the interim as we are supposed to have fttp. Really fttp install should not be sold to home movers.

  23. Avatar photo Rob Potter says:

    I’m currently moving myself and 2 friends from John Lewis who are shutting down and moving their customers to Plusnet. What you’re not told is that if there’s FTTP in your area then Plusnet dont offer a telephone service (even VOIP) – they tell you to go to BT. The 2 friends in my locality are going onto BT but I’m going onto Sky because of a better international phone calling package that I need.
    Guess what – 2 friends have a confirmed date for next week while my installation is deferred with no date currently offered. I have the fibre box in my house driveway (neighbours are connected from it).Could it be that Openreach are giving BT preference?

  24. Avatar photo Nathan says:

    I ordered this from Sky in Aug 22. I had a nightmare in processing the order as Sky had the wrong details. Installation date of 22nd Oct but waited and no install. Still waiting nearly 4 months later and no real updates. Oh and Openreah disconnected my old copper wire without authorization and now I have no broadband or phone….. the compensation doesn’t even cover it.

    1. Avatar photo Marcus says:

      Same here. My old phone line disconnected without authorisation but I’ve been told I’m not entitled to compensation as I’m no longer paying for a service that doesn’t exist (Sky). Now been told the earliest I can get OR to come to my premises will be May 3rd….not sure where to go next

  25. Avatar photo Simon says:

    4 months and counting, simular story but I don’t have a new property we have slow go ADSL which struggles to get anywhere near 10Mbps.

    I ordered mid September, and have been told they are waiting for a survey as additional dig work is needed, so it looks like it’s going take a while.

  26. Avatar photo Craig Barnard says:

    I ordered my full fibre broadband in August 2022, I’m still not connected.

  27. Avatar photo Jane Maitland says:

    The info in this thread fills me with gloom. I ordered my first FTTP from Vodafone in November 2022. My ee FTTC was cut off leaving me with no service or landline like others above. Five cancelled orders later, I still cannot get Vodafone or BT to confirm that my number will still be available to me. BT says it’s Vfones fault while Vfone say Openreach will not release it. Any suggestions?
    More important though is the real reason Openreach gave for not connecting me; 68m of ducting and a new box. Cost £3k apparently. I understood that OR is in receipt of public money to connect rural properties in SW Scotland. Can they really just leave a customer in limbo like this?

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