Openreach Launch Pilot of 1.2Gbps and 1.8Gbps FTTP Broadband Tiers
Openreach has today officially announced the launch of their new pilot for UK broadband ISPs, which will test faster download speeds of 1.2Gbps and 1.8Gbps on their Fibre-to-the-Premises (FTTP) lines. The service will also be accompanied by two new optical modems (ONT) from Nokia G-010G-T and ADTRAN SDX 611Q.
The news won’t come as much of a surprise to ISPreview’s readership because we leaked the existence of this pilot back in September 2022 (here and here). At present the fastest FTTP download tier available to consumers on their network is 1Gbps (115Mbps upload – 220Mbps for business lines), but advertising rules usually force ISPs to promote this as a 900Mbps+ package (i.e. median average speed, as measure at peak time).
The new pilot – due to start on 1st December 2022 – will enable ISPs to pick from two faster download tiers – 1.2Gbps and 1.8Gbps (both offer 120Mbps upstream). In order to support this, the operator’s engineers will need to install new Optical Network Terminals (ONT / ONU) with a 2.5Gbps LAN / Ethernet port – the Nokia G-010G-T and ADTRAN SDX 611Q (the latter is pictured on this article).
Supporting ISPs will also be expected to supply broadband routers that can handle the same 2.5G Ethernet standard on their LAN/WAN ports. But availability of the new tiers will initially be restricted to customers living in the Swansea area of Wales. The pilot will run for 4-months and may be expanded to additional locations at a later date.
Pilot Pricing (Wholesale and ex. VAT)
| 1800/120 Mbit/s rentals | £39.90 per month |
| 1200/120 Mbit/s rentals | £34.90 per month |
| Standard connection charge (one-off) | £103.32 |
| Engineer visit for swap of existing ONT to 2.5G ONT | £90 |
Remember, the above reflects wholesale pricing, which means that they don’t account for all the extra costs that an ISP must add (e.g. 20% VAT, services, network capacity, profit margin etc.) and thus retail prices for consumers will of course be much higher than this.
For the newly launched speeds to be consumed, a 2.5Gbit/s optical network terminator (ONT) will be required. In a box-swap scenario, an engineer will need to attend the end customer’s premises to swap the existing ONT for a 2.5Gbit/s ONT. In these instances, the £90 box-swap charge applies, but no bandwidth modify charge will be charged.
We are also matching the price points onto FOD (Fibre on Demand) with the same rentals, same connection, but excluding the box-swap.
Standard and Premium connection charges will be consistent will all other GEA-FTTP speed tiers, with Premium having a £40 price differential versus Standard.
The strong suspicion here is that the new 1.2Gbps tier will enable ISPs to promote true “gigabit” packages that can advertise and deliver real download speeds of 1000Mbps+ (as opposed to the 900Mbps+ advertised rates of today). Meanwhile, the fastest 1.8Gbps option appears as if it could be intended to help counter Virgin Media’s (VMO2) future plan for a 2Gbps tier, although Openreach have denied this.
The difficulty is that Openreach are still using a Gigabit Passive Optical Network (GPON) platform, which does tend to place some limitations on how fast their packages can go before capacity becomes an issue. The GPON standard supports a capacity on each trunk line of up to 2.5Gbps downstream and 1.24Gbps upstream, which needs to be shared between several premises.
However, Openreach do have plans to adopt 10Gbps capable XGS-PON technology, although they’ve yet to announce a solid timetable for that and upgrading existing premises will require a gradual migration. In the meantime, many of their rivals in the rapidly growing alternative network (AltNet) space are already deploying 10Gbps capable XGS-PON kit as standard.
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Upload speeds are disappointing for the extra pricing, considering that altnets are now routinely offering symmetrical connections of 1Gig up and down for less money, still I guess they are only worried about Virgin at this point in time.
I’d say there will be an option to increase the upload speed eventually. Would probably get the 1.8 option as my 2.5gbe port on my pc hasnt been used properly yet! Good to see this trial has a time limit of 4 months so hopefully it’ll be launched soon after that.
BT I’m do past caring. Rock on ALTNETS, time to kill off this dinosaur company. Look at those pathetic upload speeds from BT and again because they use old legacy equipment probably for another 10 years.
And delayed by their usual long process of trials. The ONT is easily tested, it’s not like ADSL with varying line conditions. Sure other providers like VM test, but they usually test substantial speed changes or change in protocols like Docsis versions where there is a need.
This will prob be a pre trial followed by a trial, then an alleged issue followed by another delay. I mean look at the mess with anything BT did around FTTC, lower SNR targets, impulse noise protection etc etc.
I’m looking forward to 10gbs FTTP from an Altnet, never intend going back to BTs offering here which is FTTC with cabinets in stupid locations some distance away.
Thats a very negative thing to say. VM tested 2.2gbps a couple of years ago, and again lately, so its not just BT. The reason why ALTnets upgrade faster is that they have small footprints compared to BT who are the biggest. BT have to get it right before they launch. 10gbps would cost you around £250/month i’d say so it isnt worth it yet from anyone unless you were a millionaire.
“10gbps would cost you around £250/month i’d say so it isnt worth it yet from anyone unless you were a millionaire”
Awesome! I pay £307 for 1Gbps so i’ll take it! 🙂
Not again 🙁
FWIW on the matter of 10G YouFibre are the only one I’m aware of selling something approaching 10G for £250 + VAT besides B4RN and their coverage is very small and growing very slowly relative to many.
The YouFibre service is, mostly, purring away in the rack under my desk right now and works fine.
https://freeimage.host/i/bvc5Cl m
For others I *think* CityFibre will start releasing a multigig symmetrical service as their XGSPON gets rolled out. Won’t be 10G.
Community Fibre sell 5Gbit at £335+VAT and 3Gbit at £99 a month inclusive.
10G isn’t a big thing just yet and outside of B4RN won’t be until 25GPON and 50GPON are a thing. Some UK customers phone Ofcom when their speeds twitch. They’d be up in arms over the variance when you get all the remaining capacity after other folks get a share. All about 5% of it.
XGS Is On – Your point being? Yes, You Fibre – I’m in one of those areas.
I don’t need 10gbps, but it is there should I need it and You Fibre are the most reasonable. The £250/month is the business rate not the consumer rate.
anonymous: I *have* the 10G product from YouFibre to home: I’m one of the very, very few.
I’m not sure what you’re challenging? I was just stating where we are?
‘This will prob be a pre trial followed by a trial, then an alleged issue followed by another delay.’
It’s a capacity planning trial. They want to see how the GPON network holds up with customers running at such high speeds. VMO2 trial speed increases without any other changes to the network configuration besides increasing the bandwidth limits for the same reason. Customers occasionally see their speeds jump then go back after some weeks.
I can tell them it’ll probably be fine. A while back I had 3 FTTP services totalling 2.3 Gbit/s and received 1.9 – 2.3 Gbit with, very rarely, 1.8. This on an FTTP-only estate sharing with 31 other properties.
That said I didn’t smash the download or upload. Besides the occasional download of a large game, upload and restore of backups, cloud storage, etc, my usage didn’t really change much despite that capacity.
Having someone running one of the projects that will basically eat all the available bandwidth will cause issues at 1.8G. It’s also potentially why they’re concerned about offering higher uploads even though they probably could. It’s easier to saturate your upload 24×7, just seed popular open source content, Linux ISOs, and I do mean Linux ISOs not shady content, etc, and you can saturate any upload you’re given. It’s harder to saturate download as there’s only so much to download.
It’s a pretty flimsy explanation but it’s probably more viable than admitting they’re scared of people replacing leased lines with FTTP.
Sooooo past caring. Proceeds to write a bloody essay!
Okay. They have no issues with selling a single customer 1.8 Gbit/s from a pool of downstream bandwidth that comes in at about 2.4 Gbit/s after overheads, 75% of the pipe, but will only deliver 120 Mbit/s of upload, 1/10th of the available pipe.
On the 1.8 Gbit/s they’ll have the most asymmetrical broadband service around outside of ADSL once VM upgrade their Gig1 customers to 100 Mbit up. 15:1. Over full fibre. Absurd.
Still at least it may quiet the odd person that continues to delude themselves that there’s a legit technical reason for the Openreach tiers being so asymmetrical.
No one said there was a “legit technical reason”, but there is a legit financial reason for sure.
Apparently the increase in demand for upload is mainly driven by streams from home security cameras. This is a continuous load and not bursty like large file downloads.
It’s because if they offer 1000/1000 then businesses won’t buy leased lines.
“if they offer 1000/1000 then businesses won’t buy leased lines.”
Then how do you explain people buying leased lines say in London, when they could get a G Network 1000/1000 link? Of course they will pay for it. Because they want 1:1 and no contention and a private link, a block of IPs and maybe even IPv6 and an SLA on repairs.
If you think that businesses won’t buy a leased line when 1000/1000 regular connections are available, then you haven’t got a clue i’m afraid, and you can go ask any of the network providers like Daisy, Ex Networks, if people who live in 1000/1000 areas still buy leased lines.
“It’s because if they offer 1000/1000 then businesses won’t buy leased lines.”
Sorry but I have to echo the above – and I am someone who has a leased line at 1Gbps. Yes I can get a Cityfibre 1000/1000 connection but for me it’s all about exclusivity. I’ve done around 6TB so far this month with everything in the cloud, and “this month” as of now is 1 and a 1/2 days – I like the fact no one cares – I also like the fact I am not slowing anyone else down – it is literally a 24/7 open line and designed to be used as such only by me. I also like the true 24/7 support I get.
I am looking to do about 100-150TB this month – but again no one cares – Couldn’t do that on any FTTP “Business” offering where it’s contended.
So I don/t…
I might get CF as a backup, sure that would be good to have 2 networks for redundancy. I had EoFTTC as a backup but the cab was removed so now I literally only have the office line.
But no – I pay £4445 a year for my line and it’s worth every penny. I’ve had 1 outage caused by someone hitting my pole with their car (inconsiderate and drunk) and that was fixed in under 4 hours, I also got some service credits back for next year) Business or not – it would be my absolute head in if I had to wait “days” to get back online.
@Anon
I am with Daisy so I am literally that customer you refer to. And no I still wouldn’t!
@Winston: “Apparently the increase in demand for upload is mainly driven by streams from home security cameras. This is a continuous load and not bursty like large file downloads.”
We just need to be aware of the fact that for quite a few altnets opening up a port for CCTV, or web servers, etc., won’t be possible, despite their symmetric fibre offers. It’s because they use CGNAT instead of static IP-addresses. Companies like LitFibre or Lightspeed Broadband come to my mind. So not every altnet is suitable for certain types of businesses.
GNewton – Stop peddling mistruths 🙂 Most, if not all, ALTNETS let you get past CGNAT by adding a static IP and others support native IPv6. CGNAT for those that don’t need outside access and for those that do, there is a static IP option that IS routable. Some Altnets only let you order a static under a Business package but these are few (like Trooli).
No, Peter, you don’t. Whether it’s your imaginary leased line that was or wasn’t installed, was Daisy then BT then Daisy, the TalkTalk one you had before that, your imaginary AAISP G.fast, your imaginary EoFTTC, your imaginary 3 Gbps Community Fibre service, your imaginary VM service that a week later you said you couldn’t get or whatever else you sharing your fantasies online is a waste of everyone’s time.
Yes, you really are that obvious.
Well not that obvious you can’t even get my name right. But then again everyone knows who you are too – so maybe we should start with your name? 🙂
And yes so imaginary.. So made up.. I mean I just happenen to have access to a Leased Line but it’s all in my head – I am going to become a Billionaire to be able to put my fantasy to reality in an instant any time I wish.
Just like this..
https://ibb.co/Lxs045k
And this
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/1667417948195277155
Find me Daisy’s FTTP packages please – that will prove I am wrong – oh wait you can’t ADSL/FTTC/G.Fast/EoFTTC/EFM/Flex and full Fibre are the only offerings.
Just thought I would upload my monthlies..
https://ibb.co/MNnF9w7
I seem to recall you saying ” a speedtest would have shut me up” and I send in loads, and none of them matter- Oh well. 🙂
I can also take a picture of the leased line we have at work and then claim it to be my home connection if you like? Would that prove anything?
Woohoo, Swansea it’s your time to shine…
But, I 100% guarantee that I don’t live in the right part of Swansea to get this. Typical.
Yes! im just on outskirts of swansea, Fforestfach, Probabaly outside the trial area worth a call or maybe theres some private portal i need to go pay a visit to to try order this thing!
..
The trial is by Openreach and is a product for their customers. You won’t reach out to Openreach you’ll be reaching out to your ISP assuming they and their wholesale provider, if they have one, are taking part.
The smaller scale trials Openreach do directly do not involve other ISPs and don’t have trial pricing as nothing’s being sold.
That’s actually a very good point Phil the upload are very disappointing as soon as CityFibre becomes available in my area I will be ditching the Openreach network. I am not paying for 500 Mbps and getting 75 Mbps upload speeds. Because Open reach asymmetric were CityFibre is symmetric.
CityFibre was just recently rolled out to my area. I’ve got another 6+ month on my current fttc contract, but I will be upgrading to one of their packages asap.
I have 900/900 internet and it’s obscene. I’m happy to have full fibre and only get such a high speed as my provider doesn’t offer any other tier. If they did a cheaper one for 500/500 I’d jump at it. Who the hell would care enough to upgrade to 1.2/1.8Gbps down? It’s the upload that’s more important in this scenario.
I agree! 390GB/Hour is enough for anyone’s data transfer needs right now!
Assuming you run at full speed of course.
Upload speeds are a joke! Make it symmetric already…
they can’t. because $reasons.
actually. they can, they just want to charge business users more for upload.
the altnets will eventually make them change this business model.
Do you realise that gpon is asynchronous? It’s 2.5Gb down / 1Gb up. If you sold a 1000/1000 connection and they ran a speed test, it would literally flood the link if you’re on the same pon, you’d like about 80mb CIR. There is a reason they off low upload speeds.
Let’s hope the BT Smart Hub 3 has at least 1 2.5Gbs LAN port then (and a seperate 2.5Gbs WAN port)
That’s if the Smart Hub 3 ever happens with the latest information being that they are hoping to start beta testing with trial users in Feb/March
Blah blah upload, blah blah symmetrical.
I consider our household average users when it comes to the Internet:
Two gaming Pcs (hosting games a lot)
Two Smart tvs Netflix , Prime , YouTube etc
Multiple tablets
Multiple smartphones
Multiple laptops
Other bits of online tech
Homeworker
Any issues with my FTTP upload speed of 110Mbps?
Nope
Any issues with my FTTC upload prior to getting FTTP?
Nope
You can keep saying it but it doesn’t change the fact that most people still download more than they upload, hence the speed tiers.
You do anything on 900 Mbit download you couldn’t do, albeit slower, on 300, maybe 500 tops?
Exactly.
It’s legitimate to be irritated at the high asymmetry. Virtually no home *needs* 500 Mbit let alone gigabit, it’s nice to have, as would be more upload over Openreach.
Not my problem, my altnet is symmetrical, but I can understand residential users feeling aggrieved that their upload is the lower to justify Openreach charging businesses through the nose for 220 Mbit to protect leased line revenues while the competition are mostly symmetric and some multigig symmetrical.
It’s a nice to have. Exactly.
Not a must.
I could have stayed on fttc for years, but there was a good deal to make the switch to fttp.
FibreFred or is that BTFred?
Anyway, just because you can’t max out your upload channel does not mean other people should suffer.
Cloud backups, backups to off site server – the list goes on why a number of people want the higher upload speed. Why should people be limited by the BT Dinasaur that only really cares about its lucrative leased line business?
As I said FibreFred, rock on ALTNETS – lets dispose of this legacy, old thinking company…It’s held the UK back far too long and got it wrong over thinking FTTC was good enough to sweat copper assets even longer. Hell, they didn’t even want to do that initially as they saw ADSL Max / ADSL2+ as fast enough at one point in history.
Amazing when competition comes along, BT suddenly find a way of doing FTTP and find a pot of cash.
yawn. me and my family don’t need upload speed therefore nobody does.
People who say nobody needs it. You don’t need internet. You need food and water and maybe some clothes. People who can’t imagine a use for beyond 100megabit are in their own little bubble and should probably stay there and not go out on to the internet.
For the rest of us, having extra bandwidth allows us to do other things. I can’t stand it when people keep saying muh you don’t need 1Gbit down , nobody needs it. You know what, having gigabit means you can download that 100GB game in 5 minutes instead of 8 bloody hours. Uploads, well are you people aware that youtube exists? that cloud backups exist and that having faster uploads will allow you to get those things uploaded faster.
If you’re happy with your 1/10th asymmetric connection great for you. The rest of us who want extra upload are just going to ignore you. You don’t speak for us.
@you don’t speak
Show me where I said “no-one needs it”.
I said for most people they download more than they upload and so aren’t bothered about a shockingly low 100Mbps upload.
Products are created for the majority so it should be no surprise why upload is just a portion of download.
I’m confident 8 or 9 people out of 10 when signing up don’t even look at the upload speed, only download.
Hence the upload crowd is a minority. Not none existent , but a minority.
100GB takes 15 mins – I think you left the 1 off? I can pack away 6.5GB/Minute and I am on an un contended line so.. Valid point however just setting expectations really.
£90 quid to switch ONT! Such a con…
Yeah that bit made me laugh
Me too, just post it out and i’ll do it myself.
Maybe OpenReach should stop lying about their FTTP coverage and fulfill their promises. They lie to ISPs about street coverage on a regular basis. They should finish their work before actually saying they are done on a street. I’ve been waiting 3 months because of their lies and there is no end in sight. Quite frankly you’ve got a better service through 5G mobile.
I ordered 900Mbps via plusnet on the 3rd of August, still waiting for an engineer to do the external work. They keep changing the dates every week. Openreach finally called me last Thursday that they’re sending an engineer to do the external work tomorrow(03/11/2022). I hope he does the internal work too and we finally have Internet. If not for my neighbour who gave me his WiFi key, I’d not have Internet right now.
Fibre is right on the pole in front of my house.
1gb symmetrical is only £30 from you fibre at the moment. Openreach need to go symmetrical to keep up for residential users.
99% of residential users do not need a 1Gbps service, let alone 1Gbps upload speeds – But it’s not to say it won’t be needed in the future.
I have 20Mbps upload on my FTTP connection and it’s never been an issue (and I work from home).
JamesP – another deluded user thinking that everyone needs the same speed as them.
20mbit upload enough? Keep taking the meds if you think that works for everyone else.
I also work from home, but that traffic would suffice under 50mbps with a couple doing it easily unless you work with large files you may need to copy around (didn’t think of that scenario did you?). Then there are cloud backups, off site backups and some people stream their own media at high bit rate for quality (some people have more than one house, right).
anonymous – No need to be aggressive and suggesting I’m deluded is just nonsense.
Like I say, 99% of residential users do not need a 1Gbps symmetrical service – if this was the case currently, wouldn’t a single 2.5/1.2Gbps PON split between (up to) 32 users be completely saturated with users complaining? I don’t hear these complaints.
I think your case is perhaps slightly different to the vast residential population but I do not see how a 110Mbps upload would not be enough (plan backups overnight if large?). We managed just about ok as a couple during lockdown with a 20Mbps/1Mps fttc connection (she’s a teacher, I work in web dev). Our now current 100/20Mbps FTTP connection would of course made our lives better at the time, but a 1Gbps symmetrical service would not have beenfitted us.
JamesP… you’re missing the main bandwidth consumers.
It’s kids and gaming adults.
Remember Warzone broke multiple bandwidth records for various ISPs over the last few years.
Scale that across a family with multiple consoles and you’d understand why there’s a demand for 1Gbps services.
Hopefully we’ll see some suppliers launch this trial other than maybe BT
The upload speed is hilarious.
‘Tragic’ was the word that came to mind. KCom leave them in the dust. KCom.
You’ll still get people complaining they’re ‘only’ getting 600mbps speed test results on their phones from their 1.8Gbps connections
Where is the market for 1.2 / 1.8Gbps connections, I honestly don’t understand it?
And people were saying the same like BT saying originally FTTC was fast enough and all people needed hence “superfast” term.
I can imagine if you work in an industry where you copy large files up and down you want extra upload and download because it’s simply quicker, and for other things makes real time connected use more real.
I’ll take a faster connection on two conditions:
1. Provide a better upload speed than 10% of the download.
2. I have room in my budget to accommodate the price. This one is partly on me, and partly on the ISP to offer a competitive price.
What could I do with it? Download all the stuff I currently do, only more quickly. The most expensive thing you have in life is your time, and there’s no fun spending it waiting for downloads.
I would need to upgrade my home switching gear beyond 1gbe too of course, which all just factors in. I won’t be an early adopter, but for sure I’ll be waiting to hop on as soon as I can afford it.
spurple: exactly. Not essential for running applications but makes some, not that many yet, things faster running at above gigabit.
Greater than 1Gbps downstream seems like it would be catering to such a niche market I don’t know why they bother yet. Increase the upload to something that is more in proportion to the downstream (or at least something less embarrassing than a 15:1 ratio). Honesty it just seems like number chasing rather than providing something useful – check the various altnet forums/trustpilot reviews of people complaining they’re only getting 500mb from their gigabit connections and you’ll understand just how little the average consumer really knows about what bandwidth is/what’s useful to them.
The market for it is predominantly in multi-device households.
3 kids each with a switch and either an xbox (x2) or ps5.
2 desktops, 4 laptops, a few IoT things, Alex etc.
1 EPYC server currently running a few java MC instances (different mod packs) for the kids.
We’re in the tech generation and I’m privileged enough (due to profession) to do this for my kids… I agree it’s not a normal use case but I imagine other families aren’t far off from it.
When there’s a game update (warzone, fortnite, apex etc) then yeah 1 device wouldn’t go above 1Gbps without 2.5Gbps connectivity but the aggregate of those 3 consoles does.
BT fan boys are in force on here thinking they have a superior wet string connection to most ALTNETS that will kick their a** every time.
BT fanboys exist? wth?
There is that ‘Ex-Telecoms Engineer’ guy on here who fawns endlessly over anything BT related for one.
Most altnets will, Now if only they were available to 100% of the Openreach footprint then people wouldn’t be “Happy” with BT, would they?
Of my options, VM or BT, the BT connection is comically better than VM. You can still be happy with what you have, and want more (like 900/900…)
I’m almost certain that the “nobody needs X” people are Openreach employees. Why would a member of the public be against greater upload speeds? They wouldn’t. An ISP incapable of giving you decent upload speed would though.
You get the “nobody needs x” with anything tech related.
“Nobody needs fast charging”
“Nobody needs 18 core cpu’s”
“Nobody needs OLED”
“Nobody needs 120hz”
“Nobody needs 4k”.
I see it with EVERYTHING.
Some people just don’t like progression, strangely. They probably even argue against electric cars.
@Sam, I can honestly say I’ve never seen/heard anyone say they that nobody needs 4K/OLED/Fast Charging etc, as you say why would people be against progression? And it’s not that we’ll never need > 1Gbps downstream but why so much focus on much faster speeds to the average consumer wheh the upload lags behind so much. Just make it more equal, I guarantee only number chasers really care about > 1Gbps downstream and it’ll be the increased upload that’s more useful for most (backing up between my NAS and a friend’s remote NAS box on 900mb upload is bliss!)
Think it might be more the use of the word ‘need’ though reading it a person that wants something very much may legitimately use ‘need’ so I’m going to be more cautious in future. I wasn’t aware of this:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/need
need verb (MUST HAVE) to have to have something, or _to want something very much_
Sam P: I hope I don’t fall into that category! My phone has fast charging, my laptop has a 12700H, my desktop runs a 5950X/RTX 3900 and is connected to the home TV: a 120 Hz, 4k OLED.
My Internet is symmetrical, uncapped XGSPON with a 500/75 backup.
TL;DR I’m not some philistine. I am, however a specialist network and security engineer so see a ton of usage patterns across the board, including my own, and most folks wouldn’t touch the sides of symmetrical gigabit for anything more than minutes a month and their usage probably averages out to a few megabits a second at peak times each month. At 100 MB/s it doesn’t take long to download even massive software. Cloud camera storage is a bit more interesting but still even with a pretty hardcore setup you’re talking a few megabits a camera.
One thing a ton of bandwidth is good for, which is why I have so much of it, is knowing I don’t have to mess around with QoS. I have enough bandwidth for everything to do as it pleases at the same time and for me to have no bottlenecks at all. Steam delivers about 2.5 Gbit/s at max. EA/Origin manages 2 Gbit/s or so. I could be downloading from both of those at the same time while streaming media, uploading a 4k video to YouTube and uploading a backup at 5 Gbit/s.
Is this a need? Looking at the dictionary definition yes, I guess for some people it would be as it’s something they very much want: I do. So I stand corrected.
According to the dictionary if you really want the higher bandwidth you can legitimately say you need it. /thread.
threads over boys. XGS has said so.
Thank you random person. Again a bad bit of writing on my part. I accepted I got it wrong and that was to end my involvement in that thread. Entertaining as your gatekeeper comments are they’ve a use-by.
Thank you again for another reminder on here that anonymity empowers the rude and obnoxious. If you behave in that manner in real life I’ve sympathy. It can’t be fun being tolerated at best and at worst ignored and shunned.
lol yes, because everyone knows who “XGS IS ON” really is right. So sorry darling, but your little flex nickname doesn’t make you less anonymous. I can even put your name in the name field if I want to.
Now sweety, realise you’re a gatekeeper and that you have absolutely zero say in what people can and cannot post on this forum. Have a lovely day mr specialist engineer with 10gig but isn’t a flex.
By the way, you have been extremely rude to some people here. That’s why I call you a gatekeeper, that and you seem to think you can dictate what people can discuss and can’t.
From https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/11/openreach-launch-pilot-of-1-2gbps-and-1-8gbps-fttp-broadband-tiers.html#comment-271335 you’re a pitiable individual and accordingly I pity you.
Hopefully at some point you’ll re-evaluate whatever decisions have led you to anonymously trolling here. I guess real life doesn’t permit anonymity so you get your kicks where you can. That you get your kicks this way is really quite sad.
As a general rule when someone shows humility and apologises for giving the wrong impression responses such as yours immediately make you the bell end even if the original poster was a bell end which I’m happy to accept I was.
Keep on with trolling the one place you can find that doesn’t require you to register and, hence, introduces some accountability you sad, strange little man.
You think you’re a moderator on this website. You seem to think you’re in a position to police people on this website. You’re rude to a great many people who perhaps aren’t as technical as you. You’re a show-off nob to boot.
You need to see a shrink about your behaviour. Calling me this and that has little effect on me, and you won’t stop me from pointing out your pathetic bullying on this forum.
You grow up. You evaluate your life. You are not internet police and we don’t have to be insulted daily by you. I write this because I’m fed up of you and people like you. Constantly ridiculing people. Showing off with your ‘I’m such an amazing engineer with very specialist skills that I need 10Gig.’ God what a pretentious nob you are.
Talking of knobs – which username is Carl hiding under today? 🙂
Same story as before – had multiple lines etc – and yet when you put his neither address in YF nor Netonmia serve it So who’s the fantasist now? 10Gbps my arse.
@keeper
You are a c.o.c.k
I hope there is an option to change the ONT yourself haha
Hehe. I really don’t think they trust average folks with such things. I’m not sure I’d trust the average person with it. Could send them a £15 SC cleaning pen and give them instructions: Replace old ONT with new. Don’t power it on yet. Pull cover off ONT optical port, pull end off pen, shove it into the newly exposed hole until you hear a click. Return cover to pen but pop off cap, hold fibre, push the two together until you hear a click. Connect the fibre cable and the ONT. Power it on. People would mess this up.
Love this line from XGS Is On:
“specialist network and security engineer” – yeah join the club, you are not unique as you think you are. Not everyone on here is unemployed or works in retail. There are people from wide range of roles.
You’re welcome to provide evidence that I’m wrong claiming most folks wouldn’t touch the sides of 1G at this time.
It wasn’t intended as a flex or argument from authority. I could have put it way better, definitely.
Why are you being obnoxious with everyone? What’s your problem?
lol he thinks that any anon comment or any comment about his annoying flexes and gatekeeping are all the same person.
hahahahaha.
He didn’t say that at all which is why he answered both individually.
For any benefit of the doubt individually you’ve made it very clear you’re a sad, lonely individual and I pity you having to get your kicks anonymously trolling ISPR.
People seem to be forgetting that this is a trial and probably will just a be temporary solution to people who want more than 1Gb/s but don’t need anything more than 1800.
90% of FTTP users will always pick the cheapest option.
I suspect marketing has something to do with this trial, as for as long as you have 1Gb/s ethernet, you cannot reach 1024 Mb/s, meaning you cant market it as Gigabit service. Offering the 1.2 and 18 Gb/s service means that as a retailer you can safely market Gigabit services even with the ethernet overhead.
I am perplexed as to why the upload speeds aren’t more competitive. It would be nice to have 200-300Mb/s as I use lightroom alone. I don’t see the need for full symmetry but this is just not a very compelling trial. Again I suspect upper execs and have something to do with this.
The ALTNETS are coming thick and fast and spreading. Once a small, fragmented lot, the areas are getting more each day and BT hate it. Don’t go symmetric BT but watch your business dissolve as the ALTNETS come into your area and eat up your customers and in most cases with superior CPE and Customer Support for cheaper prices too.
Sit on the fence like usual spouting “nobody needs it” and continue to deploy legacy infrastructure. VM are even finding that HFC network won’t cut it in the future and going to go 10gbs capable symmetric FTTP on all their network. They’ve realised it, but probably left it too late to stop loss of customers in areas with ALTNETS. These ALTNETS came out of nowhere and look how fast they are deploying now…..
Reading articles of late some Altnets are in trouble and it will only get worse. Poor take up, people not wanting to upgrade or even cancel due to the current economic woes.
I expect more Altnets to go bust or get bought out over the next few years. Just like the fragmented cable companies did (Telewest NTL etc)
Even if they go bust, they will get bought up by another entity. They don’t disappear. Ans the entity will likely be another ALTNET or Virgin Media as BT has no money. They cant even give a decent pay rise to their employees in inflationary times or fund the pension.
Can you name the ALTNETS going “bust”? I’ve only seen one in trouble.
and NTL did not go bust. They bought Telewest and then did a branding deal to use the Virgin media name for 30 years (from memory)/ To enable expansion for project Lightening and other modernisation strategy, NTL/VM got sold to Liberty Global some years ago.
I don’t need a history lesson from an anonymous troll.
I was here when it all happened
What’s up FibreFred, don’t like being corrected with factual statements?
Nobody is trolling except you when you don’t like people having a different view. I don’t know you so have no need to troll you.
I respect your opinion on this story is different, but I don’t label you a troll. Actually, I have seen other anonymous statements on this site and they really aren’t all me, neither are ones posted on other names that has been said by posters to be one person.
Once again Openreach have proven to be in the past century and delivering ridiculous 120Mbps upload. And testing? Testing what? This ONT has been installed in Italy already since last month, it holds well up to the usual 2.5G/1G offers and that’s it.
Openreach do love a trial period! Like someone else above said, what is there to test? You can understand DSL testing due to crosstalk and all those things but upping the speed on FTTP is pretty much just a profile change
I wish they’d do speeds in line with network standards, 100/1000/2500/10000 etc.
Sure 1200 is better than 1000 but is it worth upgrading everything to 2.5Gbps?
Not much involved – a 2.5Gbps Ethernet adapter is about £30 – that’s what I have – even though my managed router is limited to 941 both ways – still excellent however
@keeper
You could always get a leased line from Daisy?
Can’t help but feel this is pointless with the uploads still staying at a pathetically low 120Mbps. The Altnets with 300 or 500/600 or 1000 symmetrical packages make much more sense to me. I’d rather Openreach put some effort into improving uploads rather than doubling the already high downloads. Particularly when uploads such as overnight cloud backups of photos and videos etc. from devices are now commonplace.