Locals living near to the Shandon Place and Ashley Terrace bridge in Edinburgh (Scotland), which passes over a former railway line, have vented fury at CityFibre after the operator’s rollout of a new full fibre (FTTP) broadband ISP network broke the bridge during unauthorised work – leaving it closed since January.
Just to recap. CityFibre is currently investing £100m to deploy their new gigabit-capable broadband network across the city of Edinburgh, which has been running for a few years and recently started to be extended into more of the city centre and coastal areas. Once fully completed, the operator’s fibre network in the city is expected to be 2100km long.
As part of that, they also needed to dig a new trench to lay their optical fibre cables across the Shandon Place and Ashley Terrace road bridge, which is owned by Network Rail. But something went wrong and CityFibre’s contractors ended up going too deep and dislodging stonework on the underside of the bridge.
Just to make matters worse, the City of Edinburgh Council has now said (here) that the “works were not authorised by the Council … there was no valid works notice on 16th January covering the point of excavation“. The situation, when combined with other gripes from locals against the problems caused by some of their rollout in the city, has resulted in a serious response from the local authority.
In short, CityFibre have been issued with a ‘Stage 1 Improvement Notice’ under the New Roads and Street Works Act, which means they must now achieve a minimum 90% pass rate for all sample inspections of their Signs, Lighting and Guarding as well as their reinstatements.
The operator was initially also “instructed to cease all work in progress on the network on 17th February, to make safe all defects, backfill any excavations and not commence any new works“. CityFibre is now understood to have produced an Improvement Plan to tackle the issues and move their build forward.
Paul Wakefield, CityFibre’s Build Manager for Edinburgh, said:
“Following full fibre deployment by CityFibre on Ashley Terrace and Shandon Place, the bridge which spans the old railway line has been closed and has temporary traffic restrictions in place for additional reinstatement works. We would like to apologise for any inconvenience caused and to reassure residents that we are working closely with the council and Network Rail to find a solution to reopen the bridge as soon as possible.”
Work on CityFibre’s wider build resumed a couple of weeks ago, but it remains unclear when the bridge itself will be fixed, and local businesses have complained about a significant loss in trade. A report to the city council last year revealed that the same operator had received more fixed penalty notices (total of 176 – almost a third of all fines issued) than any other public utility firm for breaching roadworks requirements.
In the long run, the ability to access affordable gigabit broadband speeds should make all of this effort worthwhile and may even boost the value of local housing, as well as the economy. On the other hand, operators do have a responsibility to conduct such work properly, and too many mistakes by contractors is not a good look. But they appear to be moving in the right direction now.
The project forms part of CityFibre’s wider effort to cover up to 8 million UK premises (funded by c.£2.4bn in equity and c.£4.9bn debt) – across over 285 cities, towns and villages (c.30% of the UK) – by the end of 2025 (here). The operator has so far covered a total of 2.5 million premises (passing 22,000 premises per week), but only 2.2 million of those are currently considered to be ‘Ready for Service‘ by an ISP.
Ok. They just cabled my street and I was going to use their services. Now I won’t. Better stick to my old ISP, it’s loss-making according to their latest filed accounts, so I won’t make it worse by leaving them.
You’re not going to use them (or any ISP running on them I take it) because they dug a hole a bit too deep?
Feels like you’re shooting yourself in the foot by limiting your choices, over something that likely doesn’t matter. They’ll continue rolling out regardless of if you buy a product on their network or not.
CF will be taking the fall for this but they’ll be using a local subcontractor who’s making a mess. it’ll be in their interest to sort it out because CF still require a lot of work to be done – so there’s contract work up for grabs. It’s also “one of those things” that happens, no infra rollout is ever going to be perfect.
I agree MML, vote with your feet. Bad practice in unnecessary work.
The area already has the choice if gigabit fibre with every provider via openreach. As well as virgin on their network.
The reality of multiple networks is lots of overlay in busy areas whilst the case for total coverage becomes a tax payer problem.
These companies just don’t care. You can bet any work they do outside the directors homes will be perfectly re-instated, anywhere else they will do it cheap and dirty. I’m not looking forward to them doing our street (we have FTTP already from Openreach, installed without needing to dig, and everyone is perfectly happy with that, so we don’t need CityFibre churning up the the road and pavements making way for new potholes in the future.
CityFibre have made a mess in Norwich, from ruining roads and paths, to closing main roads without notice/permission, they have blocked elderly people in their homes by placing their green barriers across peoples gates and driveways, and are genuinely very unpopular.
Lowest bidder contract procurement strikes again. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
exactly
When are Cityfibre going to wake up and start using professional, reputable contractors to lay their fibre optic cables?
I’ve read hundreds of complaints regarding their poor standard of workmanship. Knocking out people’s internet connections, blocking resident’s access to their homes, causing traffic chaos, working illegally, etc. They nearly caused a blind lady to fall down a trench after not having barriers in place.
Shockingly, now they’ve damaged a bridge!
Then they expect the same residents to happily sign up and use their network.
It also makes me wonder about the long term reliability of their fibre cables, if they’re cutting corners and not being installed correctly.
They’re using what is available. Demand on utility contractors is very high currently, so they’re filling their company with inexperienced staff to meet demands put on them and to make the most of this wave. If there were better options, they’d be using them.
CF already use many contractors, though generally stick to a single supplier in a specific area (Stops finger pointing between subcontractors) – BT work in the same way.
I suspect CF hasn’t got enough people going around checking the work once it’s been completed. When Virgin rolled out locally they had people going round when the paths were filled to sign it off before the barriers were removed, some places were done multiple times. (This was unpopular too, as it meant extended roadworks)
They shouldn’t be allowed to be digging up our streets, someone should stop them!
A report to Edinburgh city council last year revealed CityFibre had received more fixed penalty notices than any other public utility operator for breaching roadworks requirements – a total of 176, nearly a third of all fines issued.
So that means the council got a lot of incentive to work with them since they are bankrolling their pockets with all these fines. Corruption is a perfect match with incompetence
The obvious reason they had more fines is because they are installing miles and miles more infrastructure than the other utilities. Not rocket science?
Someone’s even gone to the trouble of creating a Facebook group:
“We Hate Cityfibre”.
If they are digging up a bridge without a council street works permit they possibly have not gained permission from Network Rail either. Network Rail are very reluctant grant permission to dig up their bridges.
This sounds like a problem with CityFibre and their planners rather than a rogue subby.
In Scotland you don’t need a permit, you serve a notice telling the council that you’re going to work. Would also be interessting to know which power the council used to shut down all their works. Didn’t know they had that power under nrswa. Wonder if the Commissioner approved that one.
https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/roads-pavements/road-occupation-permits
They have spent 7.5 Billion (and are 5 billion in debt) just to try and bring high quality FTTP to every major city of the UK. We were behind third world countries like Romania for FTTP numbers before they did this. A small hiccup that was a total accident and people want to act like they’ve murdered someone and start saying “I will never use Cityfibre”. It astounds me the level in ingratitude. Would you rather we stayed with Dialup or something.
They are not a charity doing it for the good of the people, the end game is profit. People pay taxes so that their roads and pavements are kept in good order and they barely happens as it is! Now the problem is being made worse in many areas by CityFibre leaving things in a worse condition and causing dangers when the work is taking place. That isn’t acceptable and this isn’t a third world country struggling with dialup. We have many utility services installed and maintained without these issues.
@Anthony Excavating public roads without authorisation from the council isn’t a ‘small hiccup’ it’s a very serious matter.
@Anthony Do you class damaging a bridge and leaving it out of action for weeks just a ‘small hiccup’?
Try explaining that to the affected residents and business owners.
They dug up my private garden without authorisation to run their network into adjoining building. I have logged a major complaint with City Fibre
If this work was done without permission and without a wayleave then I’m pretty sure that it would be trespass. You may wish to consider removing any offending materials and telling CF to collect them, preferably after paying you a fee for the work and inconvenience.
I’ve been on with them for a year so far for a wayleave issue; radio silence from them is the modus operandi.
Where I am they did a fantastic job they guys where friendly considerate and relayed the paths and grass fine so it truly just depends what contractors you get
Always
Cityfibre contractors knocked down my front garden wall, after a month of waiting they had still not been to repair it and left it in an unsafe condition. After multiple dates they were meant to put it right but failed to show up
I’m now getting my own builder to repair it and I’ll be sending the bill to Cityfibre.
That’s frustrating, but it sounds like you’re taking the right approach.
Quite right too.
Make sure you retrieve photos from Streetview etc of its previous state as they will try and dispute its condition.
You will bill them and then won’t pay.
Then just go to Small Claims, if it is less than £10k.
Do you dig holes in a bridge or do you fit trunking of some sort on the underside?
I’m actually really enjoying having the road closed, no longer need to worry about the children being hit by a speeding car on the way to the park.
It’s slightly inconvenient especially to those users of the 1 bust that has had to be diverted. But hardly world ending.
Looking forward to a proper symmetrical service from City Fibre once the connect me up (although currently on their site they are saying I won’t get service)/…
cowboys across the country it seems. City Fibre really need to get a grip and take responsibility of these civils contractors they are using . Im surprised they went too deep, the work i have seen when passing by looks way to shallow to be legit
We have had VM, OpenReach and now City Fibre digging works in our neighbourhood in the last couple of years. Both VM and OR completed reinstatement works to a high standard. The same cannot be said for CF’s contractor who has left out roads and pavements in a really poor state, and has led to a high volume of complaints.
Not had any problems with cityfibre in Leicester
They broke my FTTC connection when installing FTTP here. Speed dropped 20% started disconnecting 10x a day. Openreach had to run a new cable up the pole to my house (and Shell Broadband tried to bill me for it!). I still joined cityfibre when it went live and it’s been great but some of their contractors are really poor (although Virgin’s are worse).
I thought ZZoomm was bad, but as far as i know they have not damaged any bridges. There are people here saying they are not going to have ZZoomm because of the mess they have made. The digging up the road thing I don’t mind, it is the blocking of some parts that was the problem, like a cycle path and some of their contractors not really taking care of the mess.
They were good when they came up here, but then they only dug one trench, even offered to help me get my bike over the trench.
the thing is if people want this FTTP, then this is what we have to put with I suppose.
Do you lot have nothing better to do, GET A LIFE and give them a break. The funny thing is that most of the internet providers go through city fibre anyway, so most of you are probably indirectly receiving their services anyway. LOL!!!!
I’ll bet they were using a diamond saw and cut the keystones on the bridge arch?
That is why it will take a while to figure out a fix for it.
Suggests that there is not much buildup on top of the high point of the arch.
The fix will need to be engineering approved by a specialist in historical structure engineering. Not trivial stuff as it is a loaded road deck.
Next question is, as the abridge is being reviewed, is does it have a weight limit imposed on it? That could be an issue for a bus route.
It is quite normal to say a structure is fine as it is being used every day and shows no signs of distress or settlement. However, as soon as you have to justify its use to modern standards things get more difficult.
Put in perspective, City Fibres contractors have made a bad mistake BUT as the article states. City Fibre are building new networks across over 280 cities, towns and villages without any major issue. The town WILL benefit from CityFibres investment.
There are thousands of benefited customers from Cityfibre. It might seem there are many service providers but they all use same BT network. BT didn’t want to invest unless it had competition. We are lagging far behind in fibre than all developed european countries. These build failures arise from contractors who couldn’t find the right talent due to builder shortage. High faults due to high meterage comparatively. Some home owners don’t want any change around their place.
Very disappointed with the cable that was left outside the house after getting new broadband installed, it is left on top of the gravel. We have got Talk Talk, have phoned them and sent Email, very frustrating as we are no further forward. Would appreciate if you could get back to me.
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