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Sky TV’s Plan to go Dishless in the UK Sees Cracks in Glass

Tuesday, May 2nd, 2023 (12:07 pm) - Score 11,208
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Sources within Sky UK (Comcast) have reportedly told a major newspaper that sales of their Sky Glass product, which launched in late 2021 and is essentially a Sky branded TV that also streams content over your home broadband ISP connection (inc. WiFi) instead of via a Satellite dish, have “underwhelmed“.

The product itself, which was certainly innovative, did suffer from somewhat of a choppy launch due to its many initial bugs, missing features and the fact that many people simply didn’t want to change their existing TVs for Sky’s chunky alternative.

Mercifully, the operator rectified some of these issues last year by adapting their related Sky Stream pucks (set-top-boxes) so that Sky Glass could be used on existing TVs too, which is perhaps what they should have done on the day Sky Glass launched. But the new Sunday Times (paywall) piece currently only seems to focus on Sky Glass itself.

According to the newspaper, Sky Glass has struggled from a variety of issues, such as the higher than planned cost of the hardware (partly due to supply chain issues) and sales that have “underwhelmed” (a cheaper version of Sky Glass is now rumoured to be in development). Meanwhile, the cost-of-living crisis and competition from rival streaming providers may have contributed to the 9% of Sky customers who cancelled last year.

On the flip side, Sky’s cut-down streaming solution from sub-brand NOW (NOW TV), which offers access to a lot of Sky’s premium TV channels and content (as well as basic broadband and phone services), is said to be performing well and is home to around 3 million users (they’ve also reduced churn to below 40%, although that’s still extremely high). This may be a good indication of what consumers want to see, while premium TV products seem to be struggling.

Sky’s other broadband (Sky Broadband) and mobile (Sky Mobile) business is also said to be doing well, although the provider hasn’t released any official customer data for their broadband division since Comcast took the reins. The operator has also been slow to embrace alternative full fibre networks, which is despite paying plenty of lip service to them in the past (possibly as part of a bargaining chip with Openreach).

A reportedly senior source, who has worked closely with Sky, told the newspaper that the company was in a “really tough place” and questioned whether Sky Glass and Sky Stream are “enough to save this business“. Meanwhile, it’s claimed that Sky could be planning to cut hundreds of jobs from their 27,000 strong workforce, which will mainly impact support staff and the engineers who fit satellite dishes that are becoming obsolete.

A Sky spokesperson said:

“Sky’s unique business is built on constant innovation. In the last three years we have revolutionised our offering — transforming our TV platforms through Sky Glass and Stream to be a home for all the best apps, giving customers easy access to all the shows they love in one place.”

Staying relevant in this brutally challenging market is clearly an extremely difficult task. Many people, even those on middle incomes, are being financially squeezed by the current crisis, and premium TV products are naturally one of the areas that many consumers will be looking to cut out when times get hard.

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56 Responses
  1. Avatar photo Kushan says:

    Is Sky surprised, really? Who exactly are they targeting with Glass – people in the market for a new high-end TV _and_ a Sky subscription at the same time, but also aren’t particular about the quality of the TV? It was doomed from the start.

    Also: Anyone who’s been near an OLED will immediately hate Glass, which just can’t compete.

    1. Avatar photo Icaras says:

      @Kushan It isn’t a high end LCD TV even. It’s awful.

    2. Avatar photo GG says:

      @Icaras – I think that’s his point. High-end price, sub par performance, especially at the price point where you can get an OLED that will blow it out of the water.

    3. Avatar photo Buggerlugz says:

      If it’d been an OLED Sky glass would have been a huge success. Unfortunately they’d be unable to provide a decent telly at that price, so decided on a crap one instead which proved its downfall.

    4. Avatar photo Mark Fry says:

      We don’t have a functional antenna in our block, and no virgin either, so glass suited us fine with a few others in our building who also got one that we know of. It’s pretty common in our city not to have an antenna or dish due to being in a conservation area. We had been thinking about getting a newer TV anyway so this ticked all the boxes.

  2. Avatar photo Kris Lord says:

    Sky need to be in this for the long term.

    If you have sky already then swapping over to an inferior product just seems mad.

    The TV and stream puck are great for those who can’t get a dish on their property, but for those that can have a dish I don’t see any reason to go for these.

    1. Avatar photo Andrew G says:

      They need to be in for the long term, but I would guess that the flop of Sky Glass is perhaps down to the management attitudes following the Comcast takeover. US corporations are notoriously short termist, slaves to next quarter’s Wall Street results, and very comfortable with launching MVP that are more like beta tests. So my guess is the Glass the product was probably developed and launched too quickly, with insufficient heed taking of early testing feedback, and too much focus on margin.

      The most likely consequence of now being wholly owned by a US parent is that tin-eared US executives will slowly run the Sky business down.

  3. Avatar photo Vince says:

    What a shocker.

    People don’t want a Sky branded TV to receive an inferior version of the Sky service on?

    These people are absolutely genius for figuring that out.

    1. Avatar photo Buggerlugz says:

      Its like the brothers in Succession rolling out a new tv service, isn’t it.

  4. Avatar photo Jonny says:

    All Sky really have are their live sports, if they want to move to streaming then they need to be working on getting the latency down – being 30s behind people watching on satellite and the notifications on your phone is a poor experience.

    1. Avatar photo James says:

      This point keeps getting swept under the rug and just isn’t really mentioned by Sky at all, yet, as you say is such a poor experience. It is something that will leave me clinging to satelitte to the very end (or if they can replicate the same 8s delay satelitte gives).

    2. Avatar photo Kris Lord says:

      I tried to use the driver tracker using my iPad for the F1 this weekend whilst watching on Sky Q.

      The iPad was 30-40 seconds minimum behind Sky Q which just made the driver tracker functionality pretty pointless unless you’re only watching that and not the main feed.

  5. Avatar photo Alex A says:

    I don’t think many were buying into a long contract for sky glass, sky stream is a good idea but they need to sort out cloud recording rather than forcing you to hop around streaming services (supposidly it’s only one major broadcaster who is being difficult with Sky and Virgin Media Stream).

    The pricing structure for Stream isn’t great, it’s common for Sky Q to give you a better deal.

    1. Avatar photo Mark Fry says:

      That would be the BBC, and is why they don’t appear in sky go either. The BBC is a dinosaur catering to a dwindling boomer audience.

  6. Avatar photo Lightning Speed says:

    I think I speak for almost all ISP’s when I say Sky Q and Sky Glass is a nightmare for broadband providers. Nothing but issues.

    1. Avatar photo mark fry says:

      We run ours over three’s 5G network.
      Never had any problems, ultra fast, 700Mbit down, 80 up.

  7. Avatar photo Martin says:

    I saw a demo of the Sky puck. One of the big things which would stop me getting this is that there are a large number of channels missing, as you don’t get all the FTA stuff

    I would definitely consider a IPTV version of full Sky as received over a dish, but not sure it’ll ever happen as easy to launch a new channel, but to setup an IPTV feed and add to Sky for only a few users is unlikely to happen

  8. Avatar photo anonymous says:

    Sky Stream too expensive for me. Been mulling it over, but it’s ENTERTAINMENT subscription list price is £8 (£7.20 actual as 10% off each month as that is standard for VM Stream) for Virgin’s Stream. OK, it has less channels, but even if you factor Netflix and Discovery+ included in Sky, they are still dearer by some way. Just the free to air channels are free on Virgin Media; you don’t have to have any extra subscriptions other than having VM Broadband.

    Sky could have done a Sky Go app for Smart TV’s years ago. They are just milking people and realising that the first IPTV product, Glass wasn’t up to scratch. Considering Sky Q is much more expensive to make and provision for new customers, Sky Stream should be a lot cheaper. It’s also annoying that if you stop subscribing, the puck has to go back and the free to air stuff wouldn’t be allowed to work anyway. Roll on a Freesat service for IPStream….

  9. Avatar photo Matt says:

    I really don’t see how anyone (including those at Sky) can be remotely surprised by this. From day 1, I’d always said that it was a stupid idea. A low quality TV bundled with an inferior subscription TV service was always going to fail.

    Not that anyone at Sky will read this but what they needed was an entirely IP based Sky Q box. Sky Q, with all its existing features, receiving exactly the same channel selection via home broadband. That’s it. No changes to the recording functionality (other than more channels at once), no changes to the UI and no changes to the established multi-room setup with mini boxes. Honestly, it wouldn’t have been hard.

    1. Avatar photo GDS says:

      The dream would be a bigger brother version of FRS (such as used by OFNL on communal housing sites) would be perfect, must still be IP based, and its delivered over fibre into the home

    2. Avatar photo x_term says:

      @Matt they had it, in Italy they trialled in the early 2000s when some ISPs (namely Fastweb and the incumbent TIM) tried selling IPTV platforms on DSL (and then failed), then in 2020s with the proper Sky Q via fibre (as there’s no cable TV infra in the country), but they always failed to make it a success here because internal wiring issues (all needs to be in conduits there, by law), ISPs not interested in the products, customers not interested in the products either (they have many more customers on dish). And finally they discontinued the product shortly after launching the Sky Stream (they launched them in reverse order compared to the UK, Sky Glass only came last year), also because it required ISPs to peer directly with Sky and that has a cost for ISPs that are already burdened with low priced market over there, so wasn’t very popular.
      Now that they have become an ISP themselves and have their own PON, Sky could experiment something else but it would be difficult to apply in the UK (like RF over GPON for example).

    3. Avatar photo still OFNL customer says:

      Firstly OFNL doesn’t support FRS everywhere, secondly from my experience OFNL provide very unreliable service so I wouldn’t make my TV service depending on OFNL network.

    4. Avatar photo GS says:

      @still OFNL customer
      I didn’t say “USE” OFNL’s, I said “LIKE”

      and I’m almost 4 years on OFNL without any issues (other than idiots doing work to expand the ongoing housing development)

  10. Avatar photo GDS says:

    For me the three big drawbacks of Glass I’ve observed are:
    a) reliance on broadband, many people have issues with home broadband/utilization/faults etc which could knock your viewing on.
    as a sky subscriber for almost 15 years, the only time I’ve had any sort of sky outage is when I moved house, and the new house’s broadband wasn’t active until the next day, the Sky Q Mini’s wouldn’t work as it couldn’t connect to the activation server.
    Yeah, I know the Glass can fall back on Freeview, but that’s just full of 80/90’s reruns

    b) response and reaction times, channel hopping takes ages, you can’t flick channels

    C) the forementioned loss of recording and reliance on the pseudo catchup

  11. Avatar photo Yatta! says:

    Sky glass may be “underwhelming”, however the end of satellite and traditional terrestrial broadcast TV is inevitable.

    Sky being a commercial broadcaster reliant on other’s satellites, will almost certainly be the first to pull the plug in the UK, then Freeview in the 2030s and likely 10-20 years later Freesat.

    1. Avatar photo anonymous says:

      Doesn’t mean there won’t be a FreeStream product (think FreeSat and FreeView) at some point.

    2. Avatar photo Yatta! says:

      @anonymous:

      Yes, that’s also inevitable, though I doubt it’ll be called “FreeStream”, likely remaining Freeview, just delivered via IPTV solutions.

      However the longevity of linear TV regardless of delivery is less certain, I can imagine the number of channels dwindling in the 2030s and 40s, with only barebones public service, news, foreign, religious and perhaps shopping channels being the final holdouts, with everything else being on-demand.

    3. Avatar photo Martin says:

      Not sure I see freestream working, as each channel will want its own app to be able to collect data and target ads.

      I can see an end to broadcast ads, probably more money in delivering targeted adverts, and offering premium sub to remove them

  12. Avatar photo Anthony says:

    They contacted me about three years ago to do a survey long before it released and I told them I might buy an Amazon branded TV but Sky does not have the brand awareness for TVs.

    Plus this day and age its only old people who watch live TV (with the exception of football and boxing events). Everyone under the age of 60 likes to watch on demand.

    1. Avatar photo Brian Holden says:

      Dear me poor Anthony your are ageist. He is right old people do not watch live TV. All my old friends dont and I mean all.All record what they want to watch. Why do they do this so that they do not have to sit and watch adverts. Maybe leave one playing so that we can put the horlicks ready>

    2. Avatar photo Andrew G says:

      Not sure it is ageist, even if it doesn’t apply to you Brian Holden. From Ofcom’s Media Nations 2022 report (or at least their website summary):

      “People aged 16-24 spend less than an hour (53 minutes) in front of broadcast TV in an average day – a fall of two-thirds in the last ten years.

      In contrast, those aged 65 and over still spend around a third of their waking day enjoying broadcast TV, sitting down for almost six hours (5 hours and 50 minutes) daily. This is actually slightly higher than a decade ago.”

      There’s a horrifying thought for anybody looking forward to retirement. Throw your TV our, or risk becoming a TV zombie, spending a third of your waking day spent rotting in front of the absolute tripe that fills the day time schedules. At least they didn’t have that to look forward to in Logan’s Run.

    3. Avatar photo Icaras says:

      You’re right Andrew. I’m in my late 30s and progressively over the last 10 years I’ve stopped watching live TV. The exception being the news when I wake up.

      I’ve got a BT TV Pro box downstairs which can record, and I’m happy to use that feature as the picture quality is better (I receive BT’s multicast IPTV channels, not Freeview), and I can skip ads. Upstairs we’ve got a BT TV Mini box which cannot record, and I don’t hugely miss the recording feature.

    4. Avatar photo Nathan Preece says:

      I’m a 33 year-old guy who prefers linear TV! I sometimes watch content on demand and have access to most of the streaming platforms, but the sheer amount of stuff to watch on these platforms overwhelms me most of the time, resulting in me just putting the normal telly on instead. There’s always something to watch on Freesat or Now TV’s live streaming channels.

  13. Avatar photo Common Sense innit says:

    The pucks are a great idea. With FTTP spreading it could be a great replacement for the dish.

    Sky have missed a trick in their desire to control the content. A Sky Stream/Freesat box could be a successful bridge. I can see some free channels not necessarily rushing to join Sky Stream due to contracts, cost to covert, rights and other impediments.

    Content owners are moving towards streaming with direct payments. The cost to more or less rent a satellite will be harder to justify with Disney content online, Paramount being online, if Warner Discovery take theirs online exclusively then it’s pretty much pointless for Sky to use satellites.

    Sky Stream 2.0 should have storage. Netflix, Prime and others allow for downloads. Customers still want the feature to “record” shows and events. It should include a free section. They should look to an Apple TV box style. Change for it, make the user have a Sky account and upsell from there.

  14. Avatar photo Sam says:

    For me, It only really works if you have FTTP. I really dont want to have to pay to skip adverts neither.

    1. Avatar photo Anonymous says:

      To be fair, I’m on FTTC (can only get 35/6) and I’ve not had any issues with picture/sound break up. Although admittedly, streaming UHD only leaves about 5mb left for other things.

      I’d imagine in bigger multiroom households this would be an issue though unless you could get the top end of FTTC (80/20).

      I don’t mind paying to remove ads, but I’d rather they took them out instead of having to skip through them.

    2. Avatar photo Icaras says:

      FTTP doesn’t help with ping much though, so you won’t see a difference in terms of video delay.

  15. Avatar photo Daza says:

    The fact that nothing is truly recorded and you can’t skip the adverts was a big no no for me.

  16. Avatar photo Scott says:

    “NOW (NOW TV), which offers access to a lot of Sky’s premium TV channels and content (as well as basic broadband and phone services), is said to be performing well and is home to around 3 million users”

    I wonder how many of the 3million are wholesale BT TV subscribers ? Would be interesting to know how many BT TV subs there are these days. I am using BT TV for BT Sports and Sky Sports using the WiFi set top box and it doesn’t suffer delays in transmission for live sport.

    1. Avatar photo Icaras says:

      BT uses multicast for their IP delivered channels. It is specifically designed for broadcast so has many advantages.

  17. Avatar photo Jamie says:

    ‘a cheaper version of Sky Glass is now rumoured to be in development’ Oh no! Really? My main reason for passing on Sky Glass was the fact that the TV set was ‘mid spec’ at best (and that is me being generous with the description). Had they launched with a decent spec TV, I would have likely signed up.

    I now have FTTP, so logically, should be looking to ditch the dish and embrace ‘Stream’ but from the reviews I have read, it appears that the current Stream puck is underpowered. I.E.the problem as with the Glass, which is that the Hardware spec leaves a lot to be desired. If the Stream puck was powered by hardware approaching that of the latest Apple TV, I would be using Stream right now. Looks like I will be clinging to satellite delivered ‘Q’ until they start closing down services via Satellite, by which time, hopefully a better specification of Stream puck will be available.

    1. Avatar photo Scott says:

      I tend to agree with you about the quality of the Glass and Stream/Puck product. I reckon a lot of Sky customers will be hesitant to move until the costs escalate for the legacy Sky satellite service.

      Until Sky Stream is significantly better in terms of value and streaming delays for Sport have been overcome then I believe customers will be hesitant to migrate away from Satellite.

      I’m perhaps being a bit ignorant to the capability of SkyGlass/Stream but the Sky set top boxes have been pretty decent in the last decade. The Sky in house engineering unit pushed the life cycle of the Sky HD boxes and pushed the SkyQ through a lot of updates and expand services. I’m surprised they didn’t just deliver a streaming version of the Sky Q box. It makes a lot more sense to break customers in gently to the next gen services through familiarity.

  18. Avatar photo Jammie says:

    I think overall it’s the cost of buyig the TV and then the subscription. My mother got rid of sky a few months ago, as she keeped getting email about it going up a pound, then another pound and so on and so forth.

    I think most people under 50 will tend to watch on demand content (even sport providers), than watch TV.

  19. Avatar photo Craig says:

    Now they offered me Sky Cinema at £1 for 3 months, plus a month of HD for free, even with adding HD, to avoid adverts its still cheaper than Sky Stream, their cheapest is £11 a month and that’s on an 18 month contract.

    I don’t see the advantage of Sky Stream for Sky Cinema over Now?

  20. Avatar photo Ianh says:

    I’ll post an opposing opinion to others, I bought sky stream about a month ago having not had a sky subscription in 10+ years and a TV license in just as long (switched to netflix etc)…

    I genuinely like it. If i scroll through the live tv guide and see a show i want to watch, i can click it and get the option to watch from the start…or i can view more episodes which so far has given me most if not all of them. I.e. if its playing season 3 episode 7 of something i can watch from season 1 episode 1 if i want.

    Its all pretty seamless. It hops between the different streaming services relatively seamlessly…so much so that you can’t always tell its done so. The free ad skipping on the streaming (not live tv obviously) is a big win and I’d probably leave if it was pulled.

    Its a good bit of kit. Yes its a bit pricey, but for netflix, discovery plus and a seamless interface for freeview and sky entertainment channels….its actually not bad.

    Plus I’m on a 31 day contract 🙂

    1. Avatar photo SpaceWars says:

      but you’ll need a tv licence now…..

    2. Avatar photo anonymous says:

      Spacewars stating the obvious – the tv license troll, trying to take off topic for their own agenda. Sky employee? Daily Mail? Daily Express?

    3. Avatar photo Morgan Necksnapper says:

      anonymous = IanH deflecting from not having a TV licence?

  21. Avatar photo James Johnson says:

    Here’s the issue…
    Poor connectivity, thus poor streaming ? Get Sky Satellite.
    Decent connectivity, thus great streaming ? Netflix, Amazon etc the choice is yours.

    Sky don’t represent value for money, far from it. They effectively have a monopoly on entertainment where there’s poor connectivity due to their satellite infrastructure.

  22. Avatar photo anonymous says:

    They need to sort the Sky Go app out.

    For a premium priced product (Sky TV) its a total mess. I came from Virgin Media Stream where you CAN set up a user profile, change the TV channel numbers to whatever number you want and hide channels you don’t want. Can’t do any of that in Sky Go app, just a mess of SD channels then HD channels. Really is not good enough. And unlike Virgin Medi Go, there is no TV Guide EPG built in!

    I only went to Sky to try it because it has more channels than VM’s Stream (but considerably more expensive £8 monthly contract vs £29 monthly contract for entertainment channels subscription). Plus when I ditch VM for an ALTNET, VM’s Stream only works on VM Broadband.

    1. Avatar photo Mark Fry says:

      No good to people who don’t want to take out a 2nd broadband contract, as Virgin forces user to have BB in order to get TV.
      If you’re happy to pay extortionate costs for broadband, and absolutely no basic standard of customer services, then go with virgin media.

  23. Avatar photo Ad47uk says:

    Sky glass Tv is over-priced and the equipment is not that great. Seen it in action myself, I was not that impressed, nor was the person who owns it and wish they never bothered with it.
    I have not had Sky for 15 years, must be that, only took the dish down last year. I did use Now TV for a few months a couple of years ago.

    Sky is fine if you are interested in sport and you are willing to pay the rip of prices,
    i will stick with my subscriptions

  24. Avatar photo The Facts says:

    The Sky ‘shop’ in the shopping centre here has closed.

  25. Avatar photo Anon Coward says:

    I’m still completely befuddled by the lack of an app offering by Sky on both the Android and Apple TVOS platforms. Personally I’d sign up to Sky, but I don’t want another puck, nor a substandard TV.

  26. Avatar photo Dan says:

    Strange article. 27000 employees. A few hundred job losses hardly brutal is it.. Sky’s actual UK revenue is up. They earn around 5 times per customer in UK as an average Netflix subscriber. The q box is excellent. Everyone can get 4k with poor WiFi due to the ability to download to the box. So slow streaming doesn’t affect it. And sky UK are part of the worldwide sky organisation. They are going nowhere soon

  27. Avatar photo Vancouver Stereo says:

    I’m not surprised to hear that sales of Sky Glass have been underwhelming. While the concept is innovative, the initial bugs and missing features definitely affected its reception. Additionally, expecting customers to replace their existing TVs with a chunky alternative was a big ask. It’s good to know that Sky rectified some of these issues by making it compatible with existing TVs. Hopefully, they can continue to improve and refine the product to attract more customers. If possible visit this website soundroom.ca to gain more idea or tips on the same.

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