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Altnets Gain Ability to Replace Openreach Copper Lines with Fibre on Poles UPDATE

Wednesday, Nov 6th, 2024 (6:47 am) - Score 10,200
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Network operator Openreach (BT) has announced that engineers working for alternative UK broadband networks (altnets) have finally gained a limited ability to replace existing copper drop wires with fibre optic lines on their telecoms poles. Previously, altnets had to wait on the incumbent’s own engineers before this work could be done.

One of the problems with poles is that they can only handle so many cables and related kit before weight becomes a problem (example), which can create a localised capacity issue that may also cause delays with connecting new customers (this can sometimes require the deployment of additional poles). One way of balancing this is by removing an old copper line as you add in a new fibre.

NOTE: The Connectorised Block Terminal (CBT) is that odd looking rectangular black box at the top of a pole with circular nodules sticking out – they can usually handle up to 12 ports for FTTP and in busy areas may become full (other altnets have different names for the CBT).

Openreach’s Physical Infrastructure Access (PIA) product also allows altnets to run their own fibre via existing cable ducts and poles, but it does have limits. For example, until now, it hasn’t allowed altnets to replace existing copper drop wires with fibre. This is understandable (copper is not part of an altnet’s network), but it can slow some deployments while the altnet waits for Openreach to do the work.

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A couple of years ago CityFibre requested a change to this approach, which would allow their own engineers to conduct this work too. In response, Openreach launched a drop wire replacement trial, which aimed to help reduce failed installations caused by a pole being deemed defective (‘D’) after an order has been accepted.

[This] should ensure no end customer is left waiting for the six months or so it can take for Openreach to replace a defective pole,” said Sarah Parsons in 2022, CityFibre’s then Director of Compliance. The good news is that this has finally left the trial stage.

Openreach Statement

This briefing is to inform PIA established CPs that we are moving the current drop wire replacement trial to business as usual (BAU). Moving the trial to BAU enables PIA CPs to replace existing Openreach drop wires with fibre drop wires on Openreach poles where it is necessary and would qualify as a Network Adjustment, where the poles are classed by Openreach as either a ‘Policy D-Pole’ or ‘Non Policy D-Poles which are at full loading (as defined in the Overhead Engineering Principles CP08).

The process will also be applied reciprocally, i.e. where Openreach needs to remove a CP drop wire under the same engineering circumstances. The corresponding CP must adhere to the same process.

This will be available to PIA CPs from 1 November 2024.

As above, this only covers situations where a Network Adjustment will be needed to allow a drop wire addition in normal circumstances of a defective pole, which means it’s impact will be fairly limited.

UPDATE 5pm

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We’ve had a comment from Openreach.

A spokesperson for Openreach said:

“We’ve worked closely together with 16 of our Communications Provider customers throughout the trial phase of this new PIA product feature over the last 2 years – to make this as seamless a process as possible, which is why we’ve now moved from trial to fully integrating into our standard operations.

We’re proud of the positive impact PIA has had on the industry and remain committed to supporting our partners in bringing faster, more reliable connectivity to every corner of the country.”

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  1. Avatar photo LPP says:

    Can’t wait for the amount of CAD dropwires to be removed cutting off 3 people to feed their one customer.

    1. Avatar photo Badem says:

      Would most likely be the copper to the property they are installing fibre that would be removed, not any random copper line

    2. Avatar photo Mark Harris says:

      Don’t count on it.

    3. Avatar photo LPP says:

      CADs very often feed 4 properties off one cable. Flats, terrace, all sorts. It’s happens already with cut and draws for Openreach installs so this will exacerbate the situation.

  2. Avatar photo ex-techie says:

    That’s hilarious. Openreach wanted £160+vat to remove an existing copper line when installing fibre for a relative. They’ve got two wires going to their house for no reason. If it were my house I’d remove it myself, frankly.

  3. Avatar photo Nick Roberts says:

    If the “Service Provider” won’t . . . then a tree branch fell on it.

    Aside to this web-site operator:

    For Christmas sake reduce/control the number of pop-up ads that are appearing on each page. Its getting almost impossible to read a page without repeated ads popping-up and blotting-out some part of the text.

    Over-commercialisation is counter-productive.

    Roll-on universal Linux.

  4. Avatar photo MRLeeds says:

    My copper was just left in place, never to be used again when I got Cityfibre fttp.

  5. Avatar photo Nick Roberts says:

    Personally, I was hoping for a local digital transmission system, pole to pole, comprising water-pistols (Tx) and tambourines (Rx) with fail-over Apache smoke-signals – for reliability you understand. But you can’t have everything in this life.

    Just bury the fibre in a conduit for fluff-sake. By the time installers have fiddled around climbing poles, fitting junction boxes and repeater kit, you mighty as well have buried it . . . time and cost wise.

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