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UPD2 BT Reveal 163 New UK Locations for its Superfast Broadband Deployment

Tuesday, September 25th, 2012 (9:37 am) - Score 10,876

BTOpenreach, which manages the access and development of BT’s national UK telecoms network, has today published the next batch of 163 telephone exchanges for its £2.5bn roll out of 80Mbps capable Fibre-to-the-Cabinet (FTTC) and 330Mbps Fibre-to-the-Premises (FTTP) based superfast broadband ISP technology.

The latest list of exchange upgrades (Phase 10b [originally it was supposed to be called phase 10c]) are expected to add an extra 1 million homes and businesses (premises) to the operators superfast network, with the majority being given estimated Ready for Service (RFS) dates that run throughout 2013 (note: the actual upgrades often suffer delays).

At present the operators fibre optic based service covers roughly 40% of UK premises (11 million homes and businesses passed) and today’s announcement will see exchanges spread right across the UK, from Torquay in Devon to Kilbirnie in Scotland, being upgraded next year.

Mike Galvin, Openreach’s MD of Network Investment, said:

This is great news for 163 communities across the UK where fibre will bring huge benefits by helping to create jobs and boosting local economies. Our roll-out of fibre continues apace, with more than 11 million homes currently having access to the many benefits this technology can deliver.

Today’s announcement shows that we are well into our journey to bring fibre to two-thirds of the UK by the end of 2014. We have now announced the bulk of the exchanges we will be deploying fibre to under our own steam [private investment] but we are keen to go even further with the help of BDUK funding. We will continue to engage with local government and communities to try and give as many people as possible access to the benefits of fibre broadband.”

Latest FTTx Telephone Exchange Upgrades (Phase 10b)

ACOMB North Yorkshire
AIRDRIE Strathclyde
ALCESTER Warwickshire
ALLESLEY West Midlands
ALNWICK Northumberland
ALVA Clackmannanshire
AMBLE Northumberland
ASTON COMMON South Yorkshire
BACUP Lancashire
BATLEY West Yorkshire
BEARWOOD West Midlands
BELLSHILL North Lanarkshire
BINLEY West Midlands
BLACKBURN Lancashire
BLACKPOOL Lancashire
BRIMSCOMBE Gloucestershire
BROWNHILLS West Midlands
BURNLEY Lancashire
BURSCOUGH Lancashire
COCKENZIE East Lothian
CODSALL Staffordshire
COLLYHURST Greater Manchester
CROFTON West Yorkshire
CROSS HILLS North Yorkshire
DARVEL East Ayrshire
DARWEN Lancashire
DENNY Falkirk
DESFORD Leicestershire
DRAYCOTT Derbyshire
DUNOON Argyll and Bute
DURSLEY Gloucestershire
EARL SHILTON Leicestershire
EAST LEAKE Nottinghamshire
EAST WIGSTON Leicestershire
EDWALTON Nottinghamshire
EXHALL Warwickshire
GARSTANG Lancashire
GATEACRE Merseyside
GATLEY Greater Manchester
GIRVAN South Ayrshire
GLENBOIG North Lanarkshire
GOLDTHORPE South Yorkshire
HARBORNE West Midlands
HAWICK Scottish Borders
HELENSBURGH Argyll and Bute
HELSBY Cheshire
HIGH GREEN South Yorkshire
HOLYTOWN North Lanarkshire
HOYLAKE Merseyside
KELSO Scottish Borders
KIDSGROVE Staffordshire
KILBIRNIE North Ayrshire
KILWINNING North Ayrshire
KIMBERLEY Nottinghamshire
LAISTERDYKE West Yorkshire
LANARK South Lanarkshire
LARKHALL South Lanarkshire
LEABROOKS Derbyshire
LEDBURY Herefordshire
LEE-ON- SOLENT Hampshire
LEMINGTON Tyne and Wear
LEOMINSTER Herefordshire
LESMAHAGOW South Lanarkshire
LODGE HILL Greater London
LONGFORD Greater Manchester
LUDLOW Shropshire
MAINDEE Casnewydd – Newport
PELSALL West Midlands
PENISTONE South Yorkshire
PERSHORE Worcestershire
QUEENSBURY West Yorkshire
RADFORD West Midlands
RECTORY West Midlands
REPTON Derbyshire
ROWNHAMS Hampshire
RUNCORN Cheshire
RYE East Sussex
SCOTTER Lincolnshire
SHELDON West Midlands
SHILDON County Durham
SKEGNESS Lincolnshire
SLAITHWAITE West Yorkshire
SOMERSHAM Cambridgeshire
SOUTH SHORE Lancashire
STARBECK North Yorkshire
STUDLEY Warwickshire
THORNBURY Gloucestershire
TIBSHELF Derbyshire
TODMORDEN West Yorkshire
TRANENT East Lothian
VICTORIA West Midlands
WARSOP Nottinghamshire
WEST AYTON North Yorkshire
WHITLEY BAY Tyne and Wear
WICKHAM Hampshire
WOMBOURNE Staffordshire

BT ultimately hopes to cover 66% of the UK population by the end of 2014 through its own private investment, which could be pushed up to 90% by 2017 with the lion’s share of public funding from the governments Broadband Delivery UK (BDUK) budget (around £1bn+). BT has set aside another £1bn (total £3.5bn) of its own for use in match-funding with any related release of state aid.

It’s important to note that FTTC, which dominates the roll-out and only takes the new fibre optic cable as far as your street cabinet (i.e. slower and more variable top speeds than true fibre FTTP technology), will on average cover 85% of homes and businesses within an enabled telephone exchange area (here).

The good news is that BTOpenreach intends to launch its new FTTP-On-Demand service next Spring 2013, which will allow any existing FTTC line to be upgraded (i.e. copper line replaced with fibre optic cable) to a full “ultra-fast” FTTP product. Sadly this will be a much more expensive “premium” service and is thus aimed more towards business customers than home users.

Previous BT-FTTC/FTTP UK Exchange Rollout Updates

* March 2009 – 29 (FTTC) Exchanges
* July 2009 – 69 (FTTC) Exchanges
* January 2010 – 63 (FTTC) Exchanges
* March 2010 – 303 (FTTC) Exchanges
* September 2010 – 159 (FTTC/FTTP) Exchanges
* January 2011 – 41 (FTTC/FTTP) Exchanges
* April 2011 – 156 (FTTC/FTTP) Exchanges
* June 2011 – 66 (FTTC/FTTP) Exchanges
* December 2011 – 178 (FTTC) Exchanges
* March 2012 – 73 (FTTC) Exchanges
* June 2012 – 98 (FTTC) Exchanges

NOTE: Openreach’s Superfast-Broadband website usually contains the most up-to-date details about coverage in specific areas.

UPDATE 10:18am

We’re still waiting for the list of exchanges and will publish that as soon as it arrives. We know that Scotland has some more coverage this time but not much else, beyond what’s stated above, until we can see the detail.

UPDATE 12:04pm

Added the list of 163 new telephone exchange upgrades.

UPDATE 26th September 2012

Changed the Phase 10bpf name in this article to Phase 10b as that is now what shows on Openreach’s website. So far today’s list has been called Phase 10c, Phase 10bpf and now Phase 10b. Speaking to our BT contacts nobody seems very sure why the phase names have changed around so much this time.

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124 Responses
  1. Avatar Sledgehammer says:

    The last list for JUNE is not accurate i.e. WALLASEY was converted to FTTC on 30th JUNE. Makes me wonder if other exchanges that are already FTTC are missing.

    1. Mark Jackson Mark Jackson says:

      Not sure what WALLASEY has to do with the June 2012 list? So far as I can see WALLASEY was originally announced in September 2010 and set for a December 2011 upgrade but like many plans it was delayed by 6 months (assuming your upgrade statement is right).

  2. Avatar Onephat says:

    What time do you expect the list to go up mark?

    1. Mark Jackson Mark Jackson says:

      As soon as it’s published online or emailed to us by Openreach 🙂 . Usually we’d get the list alongside their PR but not this time. I check every couple of minutes and will add “UPD” or “UPDATE” to the title when it goes in.

    2. Avatar Onephat says:


    3. Mark Jackson Mark Jackson says:

      BT just sent over the correct list, which has now been pasted into our article.

  3. Avatar Bob says:

    They have also pushed back all the exchanges scheduled for September which have not yet been enabled(Which is the majority of them) & the December ones have gone to March.

    Don’t hold you breath on themkeeping to these dates though as all the indications are they will miss them particulary as this quarter includes the Christmas chutdown period

    1. Avatar FibreFred says:

      Where have you see that Bob? Mine is/was a September exchange wouldn’t mind checking although the openreach site now says its Accepting orders which it didn’t last week

  4. Avatar Bob says:

    The exchanges can be found on the BT Openreach Web Site

  5. Avatar sam says:

    blackburn exchange and also darwen exchanges are now listed by end of 2013 on the openreach site. My exchange still has no plans though 🙁

    1. Avatar Bob says:

      Unlikely they will meet that date. The chances are the March Exchanges will be pusehed out to June & then December 2013 pushing the 2013 onnes out to 2014

    1. Mark Jackson Mark Jackson says:

      That lists all future exchanges, including those from some past announcements, which equates to about 333. We’re still waiting for a more specific list that just shows the latest 163.

  6. Avatar Bob says:

    The real risk the UK faces is being left with a BT monopoly. If BT has no comnpetiion it will not invest much in new technology it will just try to milk as much as it can out of it’s old outdated legacy network.

    If Fujitsu had a look in we could have been having FTTH rolled out to quite a bit of the UK

    1. Avatar New_Londoner says:

      Difficult to see what your issue is? All or most of the exchanges to date have been privately funded and I for one am very happy with the performance of my upgraded broadband, especially the upload speed. There is nothing stopping other private sector investments and some have gone ahead to be fair, although most are pretty small scale in comparison.

      I’d far rather have this investment than nothing, and of course will be able to opt for FTTP from next year if I ever see a need for more bandwidth. Others like Fuji have talked about investment but what have they actually delivered so far?

    2. Avatar DTMark says:

      Well, let’s see. The original objectives were to provide superfast broadband to 90% of people in each local authority area. Nothing announced so far, so far as I am aware, gets us anywhere near that. 90% FTTC does not = 90% superfast broadband, the card BT appear to have played so well.

      There used to be only one broadband company (Virgin) with a joke of a phone company still flogging ADSL in this decade for people who couldn’t get cable.

      We now move to having a possibility of two superfast broadband providers in some areas – Virgin and BT.

      I can see the Watchdog type programmes of the future with a guy stood at a crossroads pointing at four houses on the corners – one with no broadband at all, another with 10meg narrowband (as it will be, by then) ADSL, one with 20meg FTTC and the other with 65Meg FTTC, all paying about the same.

      And the questions that will then be asked about why all that money was wasted and why it all needs doing again.

    3. Avatar New_Londoner says:

      I think you’re getting confused. The 90% you reference may well be an objective for BDUK, not sure you’ve any evidence it applies to any of the mainly privately funded deployments to date, bearing in mind none of the BDUK contracts have yet started?

  7. Avatar Somerset says:

    So why didn’t Fuji do something?

    1. Avatar Bob says:

      Because BT are still blocking acces to their dusts. THe PIA charges and restrictions are so high that it is actually cheaper to put in your own ducts and fibbre. So effecxtively BT have stopped any competition by pricing them out of the local loop. There is not one commercial case of PIA which is a good indication of BT blocking competition

    2. Avatar FibreFred says:

      “He PIA charges and restrictions are so high that it is actually cheaper to put in your own ducts and fibbre”

      I don’t believe that for a second. And fibrewave are going to use PIA so that’s your one for starters

    3. Avatar FibreFred says:

      So Bob have you got one single example you can give us where it has shown cheaper to build new ducting than use PIA?

      If not I’m sorry but its a total untruth

    4. Avatar DTMark says:


      The Fibrewave one read to me as though “some” PIA might be used e.g. in a few places to go underneath tricky roads.

    5. Avatar New_Londoner says:

      WHy would Virgin use PIA if its not expanding its network anyway? No idea about Hyperoptic but IIRC its only connecting to a few buildings so far, so hardly at scale anyway, would only be looking at a handful of links.

    6. Avatar FibreFred says:

      Hyperoptic and Virgin have priced both models and used their own ducting?

      Hyperoptic predates PIA so no doubt they will stick with what they know, not sure if they’ll rolled out anywhere since PIA has come in

      Virgin? Well they are not even expanding apart from one small area

      I want to see some facts behind that sound bite of Bobs

    7. Avatar DTMark says:

      What I remember specifically was that there was an article on here about PIA in which one of the commenters mentioned in the piece inferred same:


      With this key issue:

      “PIA will be a commercial and policy failure if Openreach does not revise its prices. Moreover, we are united in the view that the product is unfit to proceed into commercial use.”

    8. Avatar FibreFred says:

      Sure and who was at the forefront of those comments? Virgin 🙂

  8. Avatar Onephat says:

    We’re missing from that new list yet again 🙁

    1. Avatar Bob says:

      Whether that is a final list who knows it is a black art and even if you are on the list you do not know whether BT will enable your cabinet.

      What we also know is BT is falling badly behind schedule with exchangers typically being enabled 12 monther behind the first published date. BDUK schemes are even furtherr behind yet the Government still keep claiming it will meed its Broadband target when all the statistics indicate they have not a hope in hell of doing so

    2. Avatar Bob2002 says:

      Whereabouts are you Onephat?

    3. Avatar Onephat says:

      Hathern (Leicestshire) it’s really annoying as most of the exchanges round here have FTTC. Hopefully the council will get their backsides into gear and get some public funding.

  9. Avatar Sheffield Owl says:

    3 mile from Sheffield City centre and still no sign of being upgraded.Saying that there is and exchange right in the city centre that’s not down to be upgraded and also the one at Meadowhall isn’t either…not very good for businesses in the shopping centre.

    1. Avatar Sheffield Owl says:

      I was right,as my exchange starts with the letter ‘A’,it didn’t take long to see its not there.

  10. Avatar Bob says:

    Well from this article it appear BT are claiming 66% will get HS Broadband by the end oof 2014 which is a liyttle strange because they have previously put out figurwes that have stated 66% can already get it. THey must be getting confused by their own spin

    What is clear is that given current progress that for the exchanges they already have listed as to be getting FTTC they will not meet that date

    How many can currently get FTTC is a black aret as BT publish no data. All the indicationds are that the figures BT give out are very exagerated and appear to be broadly based on the number of exchanges enabled. The reality is that even if an exchange is enabled typically less than 50% can get it. This is typically because BT are not enabling all the cabinets or the lines are directly connected or they are to dfar away

    1. Mark Jackson Mark Jackson says:

      “they have previously put out figurwes that have stated 66% can already get it”

      I’ve never seen BT state that 66% can already get their FTTx superfast broadband services or have I mis-read your comment?

    2. Avatar New_Londoner says:

      @Bob, MarkJ
      The last stats I saw referred to service being available to 11 million premises, which I think is about 40%. The 66% was always the target for the privately funded deployment in 2015, now due by end 2014.

      Is this a reference instead to numbers from Ofcom for the combined reach of both BT and Virgin to date? Or just a simple confusion of the target availability with what is available now?

    3. Avatar Deduction says:

      If you take all the exchanges which have been done, add up the total amount of connections both residential and business at each exchange it doesnt equal 10 or 11 million anyway.

      BT seem to announce a list and whether every exchange on that list gets upgraded or not, include it as done in their next bunch of figures. (Or in other words stuff they said was going to be done 3-6 months ago which hasnt been done is being included in their BS figures).

      I wonder how many on this latest list wont be done on time. Even more confusing they have in this round stated upgrades to 163 exchanges but a few weeks back stated they are behind connecting people and doing work due to the olympics and bad weather. The mind boggles how BT maths works once again.

      Either way expect around half those listed to actually be done on time yet them all be included in new PR spill availability figures. If only they had staff which could count as good as they talk nonsense.

    4. Avatar Somerset says:

      Please tell us the number have you calculated for the available exchanges.

    5. Avatar DTMark says:

      @Deduction – surely it’s quite simple. BT positions itself as having the ducting and thereby a clear advantage over everyone else since the fibre can just be shoved through to the cab.

      Now I’m no telecoms engineer but shoving fibre down a nice clear duct to every single cab in the country would take a while, but is hardly a major challenge, is it.

      What this all suggests is that the premise that BT is best placed to fast time to market by utlising its assets is not actually true, calling into question the quality of those assets.

    6. Avatar New_Londoner says:

      Quote “If you take all the exchanges which have been done, add up the total amount of connections both residential and business at each exchange it doesnt equal 10 or 11 million anyway”

      Interesting to see your workings given Ofcom seem to agree with the 11 million premises, have quoted the numbers themselves. More importantly the numbers were included in announcements to the stock exchange so my money is on them being accurate – don’t forget there can be serious consequences for directors if you make misleading statements to either the UK or US exchanges.

  11. Avatar NilSatisOptimum says:

    Still waiting for the first deployment in my entire county, 96% of the Welsh population to be 15 times faster than average speed of between 5 to 6mbps by 2015. You are having a laugh.

  12. Avatar NilSatisOptimum says:

    Edit it was revised on the 19th September “by the end 2015”, belly ache now.

  13. Avatar Phil says:

    very annoyed as my exchange cuckoo oak left out again, we in the middle of no fttc while the rest of other area already had fttc and future fttc. what are you playing at BT ? two faced!

    1. Avatar Bob says:

      A major problem is BT is keepinhg people in the dark. If their exchange is not currently scheduled for FTTC willit be or not you do not know. Even if the exchange is enabled yoy will not know if your cabinet will be involved.

      The BDUK rollout is another blackart with vague assumptions that they will enable those that BT do not do on a commercial basis.

      A further issue is that many areas that BT have presumably declared non viable to BDUK may well become commercially viable as demand increases so BT will end up getting subsidies for commercial rollouts well unless DUK are very cute which I doubt

    2. Avatar Deduction says:

      Even if you had all that info bob the figures make no sense.

      As just an example there are around 5600 telephone exchanges in the UK, around (i know the exact enabled figure but im not gonna make it easy for fanboys they can count em on the openreach site thereself) 1200 exchanges have been enabled.

      Or in other words and using REAL maths 21.5% is all what has currently been enabled.

      Somehow though BT seem to think (AND THIS IS IGNORING SOME WONT HAVE A CABINET EVEN IN ENABLED AREAS) that equates to availability of around 11 million premises. Or in BTs fantasy world thats availability to about 40% already.

      Even though your exchange being enabled in no way equates that you will be connected a fibre cabinet an be able to get the service. That figure seems to be around 60% availability (based on checking various numbers in various areas up and down the country and also studying mapping data) if your exchange is enabled.

      But in the words of BT and their faans.. “no no 40% of premises can have it already, honest gov” 😉

    3. Avatar DTMark says:

      Bob – you have it in one.

      I love this “commercially viable” line touted by so many people on so many sites.

      It’s so simple.

      When there is no competition, *no upgrades* are *ever* commercially viable.

    4. Avatar New_Londoner says:

      My local exchange was upgraded some time ago yet there is no Virgin cable here, so not sure your assertion is based on any real evidence.

    5. Avatar DTMark says:

      The competition is 4G, which is going to make ADSL look hilarious.

      The opportunity was to flog a dead old phone network as some kind of conduit for a superfast broadband programme.

      You may separate out the “bits we did privately” and the “bits done with public money” but were it not for the latter, none of the former would have happened.

      How’s the FTTP “trial” in Milton Keynes coming along, then? Must be a few years (giggles) since the last update. Those ducts still blocked?

    6. Avatar New_Londoner says:

      Quote “You may separate out the “bits we did privately” and the “bits done with public money” but were it not for the latter, none of the former would have happened”

      Again where is your evidence? Rather inconveniently for you, FTTC deployment was announced and started some time before BDUK was even mentioned. The only other public money of any note outside of BDUK that I can think of is in Cornwal and Northern Ireland. Again both of these started after FTTC was being deployed with private sector funding.

      So don’t think the facts support your statement this time either. Sorry.

    7. Avatar FibreFred says:

      As above the FTTC rollout started well before BDUK came into play

    8. Avatar TheFacts says:

      D – coming up with 21.5% means nothing. Exchanges are all different sizes from 25,000 to 150 lines. And the larger exchanges tend to be enabled for FTTX.

    9. Avatar DTMark says:

      So, just to clarify then – with no public funding even being mooted or anywhere on the horizon, the old phone company would have suddenly decided to actually invest something in the “last mile” network for the first time ever, perhaps a decade overdue, all by itself?

      Forgive my cynicism – it’s just that it’s never happened before and it does seem like an enormous coincidence.

    10. Avatar Deduction says:

      quote”D – coming up with 21.5% means nothing. Exchanges are all different sizes from 25,000 to 150 lines. And the larger exchanges tend to be enabled for FTTX.”

      LOL yep look at this massive exchange with FTTC
      There are a few more with similar numbers also and a whole bunch which only serve around 5000 premises. For them to be anywhere near 10,11,12 (or whatever million they reckon now) from the approx 1200 exchanges they have enabled would on average have to supply 10,000 per exchange. Some are indeed larger 20,000+ exchanges others are well below that figure. factor in an exchanged covered by FTTC DOES NOT mean everyone at that exchange can have it (no FTTC cab no FTTC) and their 10,11,12 or whatever million figure is totally whacked.

      Of course Multi ID posters, BT fans and anyone in general doesnt have to believe me. You can calculate it all for yourself with links such as…

      All you need is a calculator. (lend it to BT when you are done also).

    11. Avatar FibreFred says:

      Correct Mark, they announced their plans in 2008 look it up 🙂

      Its when Ofcom agreed that they could have a fair rate of return if they invested in fibre which up until that point had been holding them back.

      Not a whiff of funding, that came 2yrs later

    12. Avatar TheFacts says:

      A sample analysis comes up with 15M premises total, so 70% FTTX would be 10.5M.

    13. Avatar Deduction says:

      There are over 25 Million homes in the UK and thats not including businesses (which total well over 5 Million).

      So how you think 15 Million equates to 70% i dont know but it sounds like you have used the same calculator as BT.

      Even if it were available to 15 Million (WHICH IT ISNT) that would be 50%. (and thats being generous and only including 5 million businesses).

      Exchanges/availability/enabled so far doesnt equal 15 Million. It equals a little over 8 Million if you must know (obviously it was too much effort to actually count with the info provided figures for the approx 1200 exchanges).

      The other 2 Million (to make the 10 million) BT claim are M.I.A, probably cos they have had dates put back or like some have not been enabled since they were first promised back in 2010.

      Or if you want it simply…
      25 million homes
      5 Million businesses
      Availability thus far = just over 8 Million

      Availability as a percent thus far therefore = 27%

      Do not attempt simple maths on a wonky calculator.

    14. Avatar TheFacts says:

      1204 exchanges enabled, average size 12500, at 70% = 10.5M

    15. Avatar Deduction says:

      Its not an average of 12500 per exchange and even if it were 10.5 Million is only around 35% of countries premises enabled.

    16. Avatar TheFacts says:

      What do you believe is the average size of enabled exchanges and how did you calculate it?

    17. Avatar Deduction says:

      Calculate from the lists i have already provided.

    18. Avatar Darren says:

      @TheFacts, the exchange size data he is basing his calculations on is appoximate to start with and most likely out of date too.


      He chooses to ommit this fact in the first instance and continues to ignor it, therefore he is just trolling as usual.

    19. Avatar Deduction says:

      Please provide links to your imaginary up to date figures

  14. Avatar Brian Storey says:

    Right – By my reckoning Openreach are about 20% behind where they are supposed to be cab enablement wise; strangely close to rule of 80/20. I’ve determined this by looking at their enablement status from a week ago vs all cabs selected for FTTC enablement up to and including phase 8b. I won’t disclose the actual figures due to possible sensitivities.

    Main reason for looking at this is because I’ve been watching Rochdale since I was first involved with FTTC for two reasons.

    1)The ISP I used to work for
    is based there. Amoungst other things, I was activly involved in building out their FTTC ordering and provisioning processes, staff & customer trials through to the launch. We had a vested interest in getting Rochdale enabled.

    2) I live there

    Rochdale was going to be in the original roll out but was postponed and therefore not in the original publications. It was eventually published in March 2010 for deployment end of 2010.

    The exchange was continuously delayed, held up in part due to power problems within the exchange. If I recall this was resolved early to mid 2011. Cabs were popping up alongside this activity.

    Yet, 2 and a half years later I’m seeing my cab – 79, now has a delivery date of 31/12/12. Delivery dates continuously pushed back without any explaination as to why. This is not an isolated case.

    Rochdale has a sizeable population and above average number of cabs by a factor of 3. 2/3 of the cabs are now enbabled (some progress I admit) but these were two years late.

    1. Avatar Bob says:

      On the current list of exchanges they have scheduled they are far more than 20% behind. It is more like 40%. If you take the latests lists they put on their site those they have down to enable in December will not be completed by then. They have a 193 listed and given they have been only delivering 90 odd exchanges a month there is no chance they will complete that lot and there is also the Christmas shutdown period in that quarter. So at least half will be pushed out to March which will push the March ones to June and most of the undated 2013 to 2014/5

    2. Avatar Bob says:

      Proper project planning and demand forcasting seems to be an alian concept to BT.

      No reasonable person expects a 100% adherrence to a plan but when they constantly miss the plan by 50% plus each quarter something have to be seriously wrong. How much extra cost are BT picking up fromthis slippages? or is it they dont plan in advance hence the constants claims the power companies are holding things up. If the power provision is in the plan and the utility companies are aware of it then in my experiance they normally deliver to time.

    3. Avatar FibreFred says:

      I just don’t understand why you care so much Bob? 🙂 Putting in so much effort and scrutiny. Its as if you’ve some motive 🙂

  15. Avatar Alloneword says:

    Middle of London and can only get 5mbits, what a joke and still no sign of anything faster, tut.


  16. Avatar DTMark says:

    Try getting round to doing Alton, Hampshire. “Doing” as in – supplying superfast broadband to the whole town or very close to. RFS was 09/2010. It’s taking a very, very long time.

    What percentage of each of the above areas might expect to be seeing 30Meg+ speeds?

  17. Avatar Phil says:

    BT only draw the lists out of the hat and if your exchange not out of the draw, u out of luck! We all facing no FTTC for the next 4 years now until 2016! And that’s BT for us.

    1. Avatar DTMark says:

      .. and since all the money looks to be going to a single provider, with the BDUK process sending a very clear signal to any potential private investors to run very far away, it seems unlikely that we’ll see some new entrepreneurs roll up and deploy a broadband network, the BDUK project has made sure of that. You might benefit from 4G, though.

    2. Avatar Deduction says:

      LOL oh but cheer up BT its fans and the government are convinced we will have the best broadband in Europe…….. Err only not the whole of Europe now but hand picked countries LOL

    3. Avatar Bob says:

      The so called rollout schedual is just a joke. It is not in any meaningful sense a schedule. A schedual is something youplan to keep to.Now whilst no sensible person would expect them to keep 100% to the schedule it is not unreasonable to expect them to keep about 95% to the schedule so say they plan to enable 200 eschanges by December one should reasonably expect them to complete at least 190 by that date with the rest rolling forward to March and being completed by them.

    4. Avatar FibreFred says:

      Maybe they shouldn’t have released a schedule then? And you just keep checking with your ISP to see if you can get FTTC/P ?

    5. Avatar Deduction says:

      Probably best bob if we just dont bother confusing some with percentage figures.

  18. Avatar Bob says:

    HOw many of those so called non commercially viable exchanges are really non viable.

    It apear the concept of non viable exchange is based on historical data two or three years old. If demand increases more and more exchanges become viable yet this does not seem to be included in the business model so BT may well be taking the tax payers for a ride.

    If you assume a modest 4% increase in HS broadband a yearthat over a 5 year period is n increase of 20% more than enough to turn exchanges in to being viable

    The other issue is most non viable exchanges will in time turn into profitable exchanges. Wher in the funding model is it where BT start to return money to the tax payers as the subsidised exchanges start to turn in positive revenues?

    1. Avatar Deduction says:

      Like any BT rollout it seems to be entirely random considering they bothered with exchanges such as this one i mentioned earlier….

    2. Avatar Gadget says:

      The fact the exchange is in Northern Ireland which has a separate initiative may have been lost in your desire to find an exchange to show?

    3. Avatar Deduction says:

      Not not really…..
      is on BTs list…

      As part of the the rollout and availability.

      If we want to keep specifics and remove exchanges like that from BTs own list to just the UK mainland only though and specifically funded schemes that actually makes the rollout figures thus far even worse though. So not sure what you are trying to argue there.

  19. Avatar FibreFred says:

    I really don’t understand some peoples obsession with the rollout 🙂 and it is an obsession.

    Ahead, behind.. does it matter they are not contracted to deliver anything are they, they are their own milestones?

    They can still meet their target and if they don’t … so what? They’ll carry on until they do. I don’t understand why people get so upset and constantly monitor progress.

    My exchange wasn’t even on the list for years, it is now and has been delayed twice and now my exchange is accepting orders but I still can’t get it (guess my cab isn’t live yet) does it bother me? No… it’ll be here when its here.

    1. Avatar Bob says:

      It is a published and advertised schedule it theirfore has a legal duty to stick to it but as is so often the case BT gets away with it.

      It is also not just a BT target as BT has made a commitment to the UK governement

    2. Avatar FibreFred says:

      Legal duty? Are you 100% on that?

      The BDUK funding is a different matter that is a contract(s) that they have to deliver to, the rest is surely just their own rollout, published or not I’m not sure they can be held to account by anyone. Not sure about this legal slant 🙂

    3. Avatar Brian Storey says:

      The schedule is hugely important. It dictates the shape of a whole host of business models.

      If I see FTTC is going to an area where I have a high density of users, I need to plan my network accordingly. If that foot print doesn’t materialise that is money I could have spent elsehwere.

      Further these figures are constantly pushed to those who purchase these services either at a wholesale or retail level.

      Failing to meet the enablement schedule for the published cabs, irrespective of whether or not the target figure is achieved by going somewhere else, is not acceptable.

    4. Avatar FibreFred says:

      I can see how it would be annoying (assume you represent an ISP) but what if they hadn’t published anything, what would you be doing then in terms of planning?

      Out of interest

    5. Avatar Deduction says:

      quote”Ahead, behind.. does it matter they are not contracted to deliver anything are they, they are their own milestones?”

      Considering part of the reason for them getting significant amounts of funding is the allure of things like 66% by 2014/15. Then id say yes it does matter.

    6. Avatar FibreFred says:

      No it doesn’t matter. As I say the BDUK funds are going to specific areas where their main rollout (the one being griped about) isn’t going

      So… different projects

    7. Avatar Deduction says:

      Except its not only the BDUK where BT are getting public investment. Some of it is local authority funded.

    8. Avatar FibreFred says:

      But once again, separate from the BT funded rollout

    9. Avatar Deduction says:

      Not all the exchanges on BTs list have been funded by thereselfs though.

    10. Avatar FibreFred says:

      ? How it that relevant

      Aside from the fact you can’t tell me which are self and BDUK funded I’m not sure why its relevant?

      The list is comprised of mostly self funded (bearing in mind the BDUK side of the rollout is just a small portion). If a BDUK area fails its go live deadline I’m sure BT will be penalised as a contract is in place

      So… I fail to see your point, no doubt there is none.

    11. Avatar Deduction says:

      Thats why it is relevant because they are not stating where the money be it BDUK funds or other funding is being spent.

    12. Avatar FibreFred says:

      Why would they? That will already be specified in the contract what has it to do with their own rollout? Nothing

    13. Avatar Deduction says:

      Without those details nobody has any idea if they are using the money only where it is supposed to be used.

    14. Avatar Gadget says:

      I think you’ll find that this process:
      allows authorities to gather information on all infrastructure provider’s plans prior to tender

    15. Avatar FibreFred says:

      Nobody who Deduction, you? Why would they need to tell you these details, again no idea what tangent you are off on here.

    16. Avatar Deduction says:

      The law allows for any tax payer to have the right to know where their taxes are spent.

    17. Avatar New_Londoner says:

      Excellent, which law specifically?

  20. Avatar Brian Storey says:

    Hi FibreFred,

    Not representing an ISP in the truest sense, although do work in the Industry ;-).

    Without any schedule, capacity planning would be extremely difficult. FTTC is attractive and can be delivered far quicker than most capacity uplifts can be achieved.

    Further, if I was building out my own presence within an exchange, utilising the GEA cable link etc, this needs to be planned well in advance and with investment approved. Before building to that site I need to know I’ll get a return on the investment. Without a schedule you could be some months away from offering FTTC services even though it is ready right now.

    Without the schedule there is a real danger you’ll be chasing rather than proactivly planning.

    Likewise you could be slower to wind down other networks where the original service was provided which is no longer utilised.

    From a customer perspective if you have a slow connection, which could be addressed by FTTC, it is bloody annoying if not prohibative to what you want to do.

    Earlier today I was looking at a business park where copper lines were anywhere between 5KM to just under 7KM from the exchange. Running voice and data services from this location over ADSL isn’t viable. What is good though is I can tell FTTC isn’t going there. I didn’t check if the exchange was on the plan, I went straight in at a cab level. The schedule gives you certainty of not just when you will get FTTC but that you will not get it too. Easier to start talking about alterntive solutions such as Ethernet.

  21. Avatar Darren says:

    LOL the resident troll is at it again.

    His figures are as he would say, wonky, here’s why..

    Firstly, the figures on samknows are appoximate, it says so right next to them “Serves (approx):”

    Secondly, they are probably out of date, new houses get built and old ones split up into flats every day.

    Wonky Wonky Wonky – fool.

    1. Avatar Deduction says:

      Name calling just means you have no argument, as usual. Go ahead and post with my own name now like you have in 3 other stories.

    2. Avatar Darren says:

      As usual, false accusations and lack of defence because you are wrong but can’t admit it. Go ahead with your multi id dilutions, oh you already did.. all classic troll behaviour.

      Can’t argue with the truth can you mate 😉

    3. Avatar Deduction says:

      The only truth is you have no point to make.

    4. Avatar Darren says:

      And there’s the usual, weak, one liner come back because you have nothing, typically pathetic.

    5. Avatar Deduction says:

      Why you have something worthy to contribute ill have more to reply to you with.

    6. Avatar Darren says:

      Haha, worthy, yeah because truth and facts don’t mean anything to you do they, with your wonky post after wonky post.

    7. Avatar Deduction says:

      Awww U Mad Bro?

    8. Avatar Darren says:

      Oh yeah.. I’m fuming. Haha, get over yourself. I was actually laughing when typing that reply, you expose yourself perfectly as the troll you are. Nuff said.

    9. Avatar Deduction says:

      U Still Mad Bro?

  22. Avatar Wrappa says:

    I move into a brand new House soon and the Exchange it ‘should’ be on is Whitley Bay (North Tyneside) and is on this rollout list!
    there is Virgin FTTP in the nearby local area and whats more exciting is Openreach’s map shows the exchanges fanning out away from Toon towards the coast are already taking orders.

    These are really exciting times we’re living in 🙂 a real marvel of technology.
    This is the UK so all these complaints about false statistics, private industry and delays are laughable.
    I’m a veteran forum user with a Black Belt in Troll-Fu but even i had to wear waders to shift though the BS in this comments section.
    Any friendlies here?

    1. Avatar Darren says:

      Inded it’s sad the resident troll is left to run amok ruining the site, I’m supprised the site op is allowing it. Makes me wonder if the troll is a plant to increase comment activity.

      Good luck with the move, seems you hit the jackpot internet wise 🙂

      FWIW Virgin don’t do FTTP, their cable service is FTTN, a fiber/copper hybrid like FTTC is. 😉

    2. Avatar Deduction says:

      I agree trolls are inded bad

  23. Avatar Bob says:

    What BT have never admitted to is to what criteria they are using for viability. They must have a figure they are using for the cost models.

    They should be able to give the minimum FTTC takeup they would need for an exchange & the minimum for a cabinet.

    If they actually published the information it could help drive up demand and reduce the amount of public subsidy needed.

    If you saw your exchange or cabinet was just below the threshold it would be relatively easy to start a campaingn to increase the demand past the threshold.

    1. Avatar Deduction says:

      Like their supporters (or rather singular supporter here) BT have no rhyme, reason, logic, or sense to the roll out. There are exchanges with around 30,000 connected to them that have not been enabled, along with exchanges which only have around 1000 which have been enabled. <<< BT logic at its finest.

      They will try to argue it with statements like different initiatives, funding programmes etc, which still makes no sense as exchanges and cabinets that have not been done at entirely BTs cost still get included in their "enabled" figures, along with exchanges they stated they would enable months or years ago which still have not been done.

      The short version is (as is always the case) anything BT and/or government related is now just one big mess of a joke.

      Thank the lord services like virgins far superior 200Mb product should be coming soon, along with 4G and other future mobile/wires free initiatives. Without them the country really would be screwed with so called 80Mb FTTC which in reality averages a speed of only 50 odd Mb (no doubt will get even slower when the rollout gets bigger and all the cherry picked areas are done).

  24. Avatar Bob says:

    I really do not understand as to why it takes BT so long to commsion a cabinet. Logically you would build the cabinets and stage them in a factory. You then no with a high degree of certainty everything is working. The cabinets are also ruggidised so should not have an transit problems unless they drop them off of the back of the truck. All they then need to do is install the cabinet. connect it up and the power company connects the power.

    Bihggest variable is the pulling in of the fibre. BT should have record of any known blockages and should have data togive an estimate of the number of blockages likely per Km of line

    1. Avatar TheFacts says:

      Easy, isn’t it. Look at a map in the morning, fix it in the afternoon, switch on next day. Sorted.

    2. Avatar Gadget says:

      Yes – you’ve probably identified most of the activities at a top-level Work Breakdown Structure, but underneath is the detail to deliver these at its there where the delays occur.

    3. Avatar FibreFred says:

      Oh Bob,

      Why don’t you set yourself up as a rival if its all so easy?

      Oh maybe your were a rival (ONC) and that all went to pot and all you can do now is cry into your milk. Why don’t you take a day off and doing something other that moan about BT? 🙂

  25. Avatar Bob says:

    There are big question marks over BDUK funding. The EU is already inmvestigating it and there is the additional problems that the contracts have to go out to competative tender but to date all the contracts have had only one bidder and that is unlikely to satisfy the EU requirements. In many some xcases Fujitsu were in the running but in allcases to date they have withdrawn fromthe tender process

    How does the gocvernment demonstrate to the EU cvalue for money if there is only one bidder?

  26. Avatar Anon says:

    shocked my exchange isnt mentioned im the last one to get fibre on our exchange probably as we dont exist useless ripoff BT and there wonderful service NOT

  27. Avatar Darren says:

    Good to see Oban, Wombourne and Codsall on the list. I know several people who will be happy with that.

  28. Avatar Cyclope says:

    Those place holder lists are about the only info that Openreach willingly give out

    It’s a shame that that info isn’t in reality representative of what they have achieved,

    Most of those exchanges that they announce as accepting orders, are often in reality only accepting orders from the those FTTC cabs that are in service, and often most of them are not, So the announcing of exchanges accepting orders when there is only 1 or 2 FTTC cabs live,Is very misleading, they should have to enable at least 50% of planned/installed FTTC cabs before they are able to announce the exchange
    They should also provide information on all those FTTC cabs that are still not enabled a regular status report wouldn’t be asking a lot

    But the current system and lack of flow of info from openreach ,IMO renders it not fit for purpose,

  29. Avatar Cyclope says:

    And the future exchanges lists are meaningless too , dates all too often get pushed back or forward,(only to end up being pushed back again),

    1. Avatar Deduction says:

      I asked the multi ID troll for links to upto date figures but he has yet to provide any useful information.

  30. Avatar Bob says:

    The current information is indded meaningless and very misleading. The original BT plan was that all Cabinets for an exchange that were planned in that phase would go live by the end of the quarter the exchange was planned to go live.This never happened though

    BT no longer have a meaningful schedulw. Just a list of exchanges for which they set a date 3 months out at the time they announce them. The plan is nver updated as a proper plan and when they miss the date as they normally do they move it out another 3 months. Even that date will probably get moved another quarter and as for enabling cabinets thats a total black art.

    It is in my view time for the government to step in and get BT to get its act together and at least be honest with the information that they put out.

    I do not belive that BT are rolling out this project without a proper schedule. BT should be reporting relistic dates on progress and not hiding behind randomdates

    The UK goverment regards HS Broadband as being critically importent to the UK economy and have set target dates for completion. How can their be any confidence in those dates when BT have not a clue as to where they are with the progrees

    For this quarter ZERO exchanges have been enabled inspite of being 10% into the quarter

    If BT cannot keep up with the current commercial schedule they will be in no positionto take on all the BDUK work. THis is going to urn into one almight mess unless the government take BT to task. At the very least they should be asking BT how they plan to resource the program.

  31. Avatar Bob says:

    Whilst BT are not forthcoming on the rollout the BDUK partners usually are. Mosst if you ask them will tell you if you are in the Intervention program by giving them your Postcode.

    Most will be giving detailed phase & timescale information for both exchanges and cabinets. At present though this level of detail not available as most are still in the bid stage or early contract award stage

  32. Avatar FC360 says:

    It’s so frustrating to see all the exchanges around me get Fibre optic but not the 1 I’m on, it’s even more so when I look into how many houses and businesses those exchanges cover and they cover like half the places the exchange I’m on does. I don’t know why BT don’t just upgrade all the exchange in a certain area and then move onto a new area. Like upgrade all exchanges in Nottinghamshire then derbyshire then yorkshire or somethat like instead of doing a couple in Nottinghamshire 1 in derbyshire and a few in yorkshire.

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