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Monday, April 7th, 2014 (10:11 am) - Score 1,311

The challenge of bringing faster broadband connectivity to the masses is not solely a rural issue and nor is it always a matter of wealth, much as the millionaire residents of the One Hyde Park development in Knightsbridge (London) have begun to find out. Sometimes not even buying a modern £20m+ apartment will get you better than an ADSL line.

According to Wikipedia, One Hyde Park (aka – One Hyde Park: The first European Residences at Mandarin Oriental, London) is a major residential and retail complex, located just opposite Harrods, which includes three retail units totalling 385,000 sq ft and 86 residential properties (Multi-Dwelling Units) marketed with prices starting at around £20 million (or how about this one for £68m).

It’s clearly a beautiful place to live, if you can afford it, and so you’d naturally assume that the developers would have also sorted out some sort of arrangement to include a decent broadband connection. However, despite only recently being completed, The Guardian notes that homes in One Hyde Park can currently only get the most basic of copper line based broadband connectivity.

The local area should already have access to BT’s up to 80Mbps capable hybrid Fibre-to-the-Cabinet (FTTC) technology but in this instance the issue might be one of Exchange-Only Lines (EOL), which don’t utilise street cabinets and so can be more complicated to resolve (leaves you stuck with slow old ADSL). Amazingly there are islands of EOLs in pockets around London and many are similarly surrounded by FTTC connectivity.

In an ideal world they would have wired the property up with true a fibre optic (FTTP / FTTH) connection when it was being built but apparently that was an afterthought even for millionaires.

A Spokesperson for BT said:

The presence of exchange-only lines can limit our options for delivering fibre but we work hard to deliver a fibre-based solution to such premises where we can. The vast majority of our rollout is FTTC. The technology enables us to deliver high-speed fibre broadband to the widest possible footprint much more rapidly and cost-effectively than would otherwise be possible using FTTP.”

Obviously we don’t feel too sorry for those with more than a few bob in their pockets to spare and this proves how it can sometimes take more than wealth to ensure that you can get a superfast broadband connection. In that respect the millionaires of Knightsbridge are by no means alone. Plenty of wealthy and poor people alike, across both rural and urban areas, are still stuck on slower connectivity.

Some operators, such as Hyperoptic, are working to plug these holes with 1Gbps capable FTTH/P lines and even BT are deploying a similar service, albeit at speeds of 330Mbps, to various other MDU and high rises around the United Kingdom. Never the less these deployments take time, money and often require the building management company to make a request for the connectivity.

Admittedly neither BT’s FTTP nor Hyperoptic’s fibre developments existed when One Hyde Park was in the planning and early construction phases but the developer could certainly have done a better job. Today people increasingly need good broadband connectivity and ADSL just isn’t going to cut it for most of those.

The Government and BT are working to extend fixed line superfast speeds to 95% of the population by 2017 but some of the remaining 5% could still be in urban areas, albeit in a geographic minority compared to the issues faced by remote rural communities. But demand is demand, even millionaires enjoy the ability to watch HD video online, and some of our own surveys have shown that not having superfast connectivity could discourage buyers (here).

After all if you’re going to sell apartments for upwards of £20m then why not spend a few tens or hundreds of thousands extra to build out your own fibre optic connectivity? Perhaps they thought it would be too expensive.

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  1. Sadly, this is what happens when the measurement used is premises passed. Just because exchanges or cabinets are enabled (and so ‘pass’ the many premises they serve) does not mean that potential subscribers can get access.
    It is a blunt calculation that may well result in the claimed 95% of premises ‘having access’ – but, still not being able to subscribe.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      Are you sure? I always read premises passed as actually being able to subscribe.

      On the Openreach website they talk about have access to:-

      Superfast fibre is lighting up the UK

      “Our network upgrade is one of the biggest and fastest in the world. More than 16 million homes and businesses already have access to superfast broadband. By the end of spring 2014 we’ll have rolled out superfast fibre to around two-thirds of UK premises. And working alongside the UK government we’re hoping that 90 per cent of Britain will have access to superfast fibre broadband in the next few years. So what’s involved in getting the country connected and why does it take up to a year to get an area ready for fibre? Find out below…”

      How can you have access to something you cannot subscribe to?

    • Avatar DTMark

      I suspect it hinges on whether “superfast fibre” means “a technology capable of delivering superfast broadband speeds to you”, or “connected to a cabinet with VDSL”.

    • Avatar gerarda

      @fibre fred – are you serious? There have been loads of posts on the difference between premises passed and ability to get a service. There are hundreds if not thousands of houses on our exchange alone with enabled cabinets and no service but are counted by both Ofcom and BT in the premises passed figure.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      Totally yes!

      So if you/someone else are on an enabled cabinet why can’t you get the service?

    • Avatar TheFacts

      @gerarda – why is that, is it full FTTC cabinets and/or distance from cabinet?

    • Avatar GNewton

      “why is that, is it full FTTC cabinets and/or distance from cabinet?”

      Stupid question. Are you ever doing your own research?

    • Avatar George

      “On the Openreach website they talk about have access to:-

      Superfast fibre is lighting up the UK

      “Our network upgrade is one of the biggest and fastest in the world…”

      Oh those last four words in that quote had me in stitches. Obviously written after a rather drunken lunch down the pub.

    • Avatar gerarda

      I had almost come to the conclusion that fibrefred and the facts were simply wind-up merchants. Their last two questions prove it beyond doubt.

    • Avatar George

      NO NO NO 80Mb FTTC and 300Mb FTTP from BT its the fastest in the world.

      All the data collected from various organisations around the world that do not even have this country in the top 10 performers is all nonsense what BT say in their marketing BS is entirely true… Or that is how i assume the tool ‘thinks’.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      gerarda

      I’m not winding you up. You said there were thousands of customers on enabled cab’s fed by your exchange that cannot get the service.

      I’m asking what I think is a pretty simple question, why is that? I’ve nothing to compare it to… for me the exchange went live for FTTC, then the cab and then I could order.

      So I’m interested in the difference for your area

  2. “The presence of exchange-only lines can limit our options for delivering fibre ”

    ROFL!

    • Maybe the government will hear the voices of these rich people, because it ignores ours. Millions upon millions of people are on exchange only lines. “THE EMPEROR ISN’T WEARING ANY CLOTHES”
      The more Ed Vaizey states that BT is passing more homes every week the more we shout out that yes, they are literally passing them and leaving them on rubbish connections for infinity.
      When are they going to listen?
      We can never have a real digital Britain with fit for purpose connectivity if we let the incumbent monopoly protect an obsolete phone network in this way and pretend it is beautifully dressed.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      Are Infinity connections rubbish? I know mine isn’t.

      Chris (serious question) I’d be very interested to see the WAN utilisation stats on your own router on B4RN. I would be great to see a performance graph of what the WAN port is doing, by that I mean what it peaks at and how often. I’d guess you probably never use more that 30Mbps and that isn’t sustained for very long?

      I’m just wondering what your 1Gbps connection is giving you that I can’t do on my own FTTC service, I mean real world things, not just running speed tests and multiple HD streams etc etc. I mean actual real usage the things you do day to day.

      For your forum posts, tweeting, email, Skype etc etc, what is your Gig connection giving you that I cannot do on my own rubbish FTTC connection.

    • Avatar Gadget

      Chris, continuing your clothing analogy perhaps the country has to cut its coat according to the available cloth?

    • Avatar DTMark

      For a start, 30 Meg down usually equates to only about 10 Meg up.

      Time is money..

    • Avatar George

      “what is your Gig connection giving you that I cannot do on my own rubbish FTTC connection.”

      I imagine a 1Gig B$RN product as an example of real world use could Backup your entire system to a cloud based service such as crashplan, carbonite and more and re-download it all in less than half the time you can do on any Infinity Product just for a start.

      No doubt though that is not real life use for you.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      “No doubt though that is not real life use for you.”

      Nope its not , probably isn’t for B4RN users either. I have my critical data stored on portable HDD’s stored in different locations, cheap and I’d rather keep my info local than on a cloud where it cane be lost/hacked.

    • Avatar George

      No it is not real life to you because you are beyond normal, you are indeed very special, just not in any good way what so ever.

    • Avatar No clue

      Not real life at all its not like Goggle have their own free cloud solution that offers 15Gig or even Microsoft. Those companies just provide them for a bit of fun, it is not like they have millions of customers all over the globe.

      Nope we are all still Luddites like Fred and want to store all our data offline, none of us want to be able to access our files in the cloud on our mobile computing devices.

      Oh hang on ive just realised once again he was talking crap. Or maybe now he is going to claim his HDD is a NAS and some how that is more secure, or maybe he is going to spew some other contradictory BS to the discussion.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      No need for me to feed the troll any further.

    • Avatar No clue

      If i were a troll you were feeding, you would not even count as a light snack more like a rotton egg. Lightly chewed, spat in the bin and hauled off to the local dump.

    • Avatar Raindrops

      I see him more as a bitter lemon, both in taste and as an individual.

    • Avatar Realist

      @FibreFred Good question. As a Hyperoptic customer with a 1Gbps connection I’ll give you an honest answer: It depends. Personally it doesn’t make that much of a difference. Neither Crashplan, Dropbox or Google drive support uploads at anywhere close to 1000Mbps. I’d say 30Mbps maybe if you’re lucky. Youtube is pretty quick though. There is a limit what a normal human being can consume in HD video before you become a hermit. 60Mbps on Virgin or similar should be plenty for most. The other thing people who read these headline speeds won’t rell you is even with a 1Gbps connection through Hyperoptic your international access to the US still sucks, hence the poor speed to most of the services mentioned above. I have yet to see anything over 30Mbps. UK ISP TO Hyperoptic tops out at about 150Mbps in my tests. The Hyperoptic router has pretty poor WIFI connectivity to any IOS or Android devices, it tops out at 38Mbps up or down. So unless you upload loads off your phones and tablets your experience will be similar if you’re in Virgin or you can actually achieve the Infinity advertised speeds. But to be clear, it’s a great service overall, I wouldn’t trade it for anything. I have also used BT Infinity and Sky Fibre broadband and can say for the most part it’s all marketing. From more than four locations I have found VDSL is a poor product that only deliver 10Mbps downstream reliably most of the time. Uploads seem to be ok mostly. The other problem is your ISP can do nothing to look into slow speeds for you. They will just fob you off and tell you they don’t have visibility of the network.

    • Avatar Raindrops

      ^^ Utter nonsense there are speedtest videos of Hyperoptic managing 1000Mbps or very close to it at various servers all over the world including the USA both upload and download.

      Dropbox no matter your connection speed will use 75% of its upload speed via its settings. You can upload 1000Mb to that in well under a minute, they do it where i work every week.

      To even suggest there is no cloud service that supports above 30Mbps uprates is ludicrous, my works server can be uploaded to faster than that so i think pay for backup solutions can manage it quite easily.

    • Avatar Realist

      @Raindrops

      Nothing like a my dad’s car is faster that your dad’s car with nothing to back it up.

      I’m a subscriber. That is my experience. Lets go through your post step by step:

      1) Where are these speed tests? Post some links. The only one on Youtube was done by Recombu to a local server. In fact it was actually run from their offices and not from customer premises and I can promise you the results from speedtest.hyperoptic.com are nothing close to that for a very simple reason which I cover below.

      2) Here’s a test i think you should run before you post anything else. Take two computers with Gigabit UTP nics and connect them to each other without a switch using a crossover cable. Then run some speed test software. There is overhead on Ethernet networks, you will never see 1000Mbps on a single network card. On consumer hardware you will probably see about 60% to 70% of the 1000Mbps you claim. Then bear that in mind when you also take transatlantic Internet connections into account with contention

      2) I’m not sure what you are trying to say below. I fail to see how your work’s server is relevant and your claim that Dropbox will use 75% of ‘any’ Internet connection is pretty misguided too, it’s a setting that limits the maximum it will use. I’ve tested uploads to Dropbox unlike your story about your ‘work server’ whatever that is supposed to mean.

      Uploading 1000MB(note the capital B) only requires 133Mbps and you don’t mention where you are uploading to:
      http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-transferrate.htm

      ‘Dropbox no matter your connection speed will use 75% of its upload speed via its settings. You can upload 1000Mb to that in well under a minute, they do it where i work every week.

      To even suggest there is no cloud service that supports above 30Mbps uprates is ludicrous, my works server can be uploaded to faster than that so i think pay for backup solutions can manage it quite easily.’

    • Avatar George

      1) Try looking in the TBB sub-forum for starters, you can then investigate ookla and other sources LMAO
      2) Local transfer rate has nothing to do with Internet speed, perhaps you should refer to small net build site for details. Residential stuff can do 900+Mb LAN TO WAN quite easily.
      3) Enter your dropbox preferences, turn off upload rate limit. If you had a dropbox business account you would also be able to view your upload history in full which includes transfer rates, times etc rather than the limited stats a residential account which is clearly what you have provides. Oh and yes clearly i meant 1000MB rather than bits.

    • Avatar Raindrops

      I think he meant me with the 1000Mb error George, that was my error not yours.

    • Avatar George

      Apologies, just assumed he was talking to me as i had contributed and mentioned online backup accounts originally.

      I just skimmed (its late). Was a bit confused with his point 3) which for some reason was labelled as point 2) for a second time. Difficult to follow when someone makes a post that takes up a whole screen. Ironic as he picked up your mistake about numbers :rolleyes:

    • Avatar Realist

      @Raindrops Still waiting for those links to the International bandwidth tests. Are they a little hard to find now?

      @George Do you have anything to add? ‘Ispreview’ if you don’t like the review believe what you wan’t, you mistakenly think I’m trying to convince you of something. Please also post a link that shows a evidence of your 1000Mbps uploads to Dropbox on a Hyperoptic connection. You’d obviously be able to show these as you’re willing to jump in and discredit my review. Please also accept my sincere apologies for misleading you into thinking I am criticising you. I’m extremely ashamed of that typo. ::hangs head::

    • Avatar No clue

      Neither of them need to prove anything, one of them has told you of a whole forum that shows hyperoptics speeds, that same person also mentions a site that disproves your consume tech theory. Dropbox will use 75% of your upload rate no matter what it may be a quick google about that confirms it also. Neither needed a single page long post to do it either.

    • Avatar Raindrops

      Im just amazed he is demanding proof from anyone when he is the original person that made specific speed claims about a back up solution with no evidence at all.

      At this point will be where he runs along and pretends to show his Dropbox speeds, he is not even likely a Hyperoptic customer but a well known user that regularly makes wild claims and then demands proof from others.

    • Avatar George

      “@George Do you have anything to add?”

      Not really i pretty much answered your full page of dross already.

      “Please also post a link that shows a evidence of your 1000Mbps uploads to Dropbox on a Hyperoptic connection. You’d obviously be able to show these as you’re willing to jump in and discredit my review.”

      Firstly nowhere did i or anyone else claim to have a hyperoptic connection, the only one that did was yourself.

      Secondly yes i am willing to jump in and discredit your view, because it is nonsense. Every backup solution i mentioned you can exceed the speeds you claimed they handle (which was 30Mbps). Ive seen Carbonite max a 1gig connection. Dropbox you can as 3 people have tried to tell you vary the up and down speeds to in your preferences to utilitise 75% of your connections bandwidth.

      Its not me that needs to “prove claims” its you, you can start by showing you even have a 1 gig hyperoptic connection (speedtest.net will do) and then demonstrate its slow to dropbox. Thats how things normally work if you want to rubbish 2 companies products, demonstrate the poor performance.

  3. Avatar Ignitionnet

    It’s not like there’s anyone in most of those flats most of the time, they’re largely nothing more than a savings account for the super rich.

    I imagine the residents of said block should, if they so desire, find obtaining ultrafast connectivity very affordable.

  4. Avatar TheFacts

    Why did the developer not sort this out during the build? Plenty of telcos in central London ready to help.

    • Avatar GNewton

      You are not really interested in an answer, are you? Are you ever doing your own research?

    • Avatar George

      The story clearly states BTs Fibre products were not available at the time and they may be exchange only lines. How is any of that the developer at fault? Are you going to be an even bigger idiot than normal and claim the developer told BT to wire things up to an exchange rather than a cabinet while at the same time not putting any of the cable in ducting to make future fibre distribution to their development easier?

    • Avatar Unknown101

      @George it will no doubt be in ducts right upto the blocks dp’s. It’s also the developers fault, FTTC wasn’t available then but fibre has been in use for years, BT would of quite happily given them FTTP for a small sum…… It’s upto the developer to choose how and what telecoms they want.

    • Avatar No clue

      FTTP was not available at the time from BT the story clearly says that. Perhaps you are having comprehension issues again?

      The most that area could have had from BT would had been a lease line and seeing as they are designed for business according to BT thereself there would be no reason for a developer to order one of those for a residential development, based on the advice BT give for their usage.

      As for cabling being in ducts, neither of us know if that is true. If it is though then why has surrounding areas been enabled and this area has not? Are BT scared the rich do not want their FTTC?

    • Avatar FibreFred

      Agreed TheFacts, once again we come back to the same issue, developers choice. For some developers there might not be much choice at all, but in London? Lots on your doorstep even if BT can’t/won’t

    • Avatar No clue

      You agree with yourself because you can not read FTTP was NOT available at the time of the development.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      From BT… not the only fibre provider in the city 🙂

    • Avatar No clue

      LMAO so who was supplying FTTP back in 2006 when planning and consent was given to the project?

    • Avatar Raindrops

      Its the developers fault they put no thought into the development, its not like it has its own swimming pools, saunas, spa, gyms, games rooms, computerised golf projection simulator, private cinemas, wine cellars, secure basement car parking and valet service, on-site security and more.

      Yep the developer only spent best part of half a decade planning it all and getting permission.

      Of course they forgot entirely how the rich toffs were going to communicate, well according to some here anyway.

      They remembered all the above luxury, spent billions on the development but did not go for FTTP which was supposedly available as an option to them at the time.

      Yes of course they did all the above, but the extra pocket change for imaginary FTTP was too much for the developer obviously.

      PS…
      I like this new sarcastic approach to the resident “expert”

    • Avatar No clue

      And still we wait for him to tell us of all these FTTP providers that were around in 2006.

    • Avatar George

      Oh i imagine he went googling for a day or so, could not find any and so did what he should had done in the first place and shut his mouth.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      ^ Just couldn’t be bothered doing your work for you and still can’t. There are loads of fibre providers in London and were in 2006 also. But if you insist on one (you can find the others on your own)

      Geo

      I’ll leave you to troll on and tell me why Geo cannot/couldn’t do it back then in all of your various guises.

      If each of these apartments goes for the money above the developer/estate owner has and had a wealth of fibre options.
      Have fun

    • Avatar George

      If you mean… http://www.giointernet.co.uk/ they never did FTTP. That was basically a one man outfit.

      If you mean… http://www.geo-uk.net/ the only fibre related things they do and did back in 2006 was design Ethernet networks for others such as Tiscali, NOT FTTP products.

      In fact that is still basically a big part of their business today ethernet networks for third party companies…
      http://www.geo-uk.net/clients

      They never have been a supplier of FTTP. They design and build networks for others. Though feel free to point out where their FTTP for home users product is. They obviously do not do one and if they did, especially since 2006 or before they would surely be on here…
      http://www.ispreview.co.uk/review/top50.php

      Good try though, made yourself look stupid as normal but good try.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      No George, you are keeping the stupidity self contained as usual

      “They never have been a supplier of FTTP”

      http://www.geo-uk.net/projects/fibre-to-the-premises

      You are such a clown 🙂

      And as I said they are just one provider, unless you some how believe you could not get a fibre connection to a building in London from anyone in 2006? As usual your view is too narrow. These are £20m apartments the developer could bring in any fibre high speed service they wanted to serve them (Ethernet, Leased Line etc etc), you are obviously only looking a things like 300down/30up or Hyperoptic offerings.

      I’ll leave you too it. I’ve made my point

    • Avatar George

      Firstly that is an old place holder page they have.
      Click to the right where it says “FTTX Product” and you will find it goes to a dead page.

      Secondly on your very link it states…
      “But you’d like to know whether our network is playing a part in bringing FTTP and FTTH. It has and does. Geo partnered with the Welsh Assembly Government in a pioneering project in North Wales which resulted in the LAUNCH of FibreSpeed – 320km of fibre from Holyhead to Manchester, providing affordable high-quality communications services.”

      That project took place in 2010 not 2006 or before as is shown on their own site here…
      http://new.geo-uk.net/press-releases/geo-to-connect-the-corridor-to-next-gen-fibre-broadband

      See the date to the right “Published on 13 Jan 2010”

      Even if it were released back in 2006 or before since when was Holyhead and Manchester even in London. That was the 2 points to your claim wasn’t it that FTTP was around in 2006 and in London? It is another ring network like nearly everything they do is.

      It is also as stated an ethernet network and they do not provide FTTP services and never have.

      All you have to do is post a link to GEOs FTTP product page if it does exist, something with some prices, postcode checker or similar like most providers have to show they actually sell a FTTP product and where it is available. You can not do that though because they do not sell FTTP they build networks. WHat you linked to even enforces they were not doing what you claim back in 2006, even if you want to claim they have a FTTP product.

      I suggest you run along and spend another few more days googling and trying to find another organisation to prove your ridiculous statements.

    • Avatar No clue

      Fred has no clue the project he points to is this…
      http://www.fibrespeed.co.uk/

      Funded by the government its basically a welsh project, network infrastructure partly done by Geo. Geo-UK have never supplied FTTP there self, they build networks for other organisations. This project certainly did not begin in 2006 either. Deal was done back around 2010 and full Digital Wales framework project should be complete around 2020.

      Most of the stuff Geo-UK do are site to site networks and ring networks. They are not an ISP, and certainly were never an ISP back in 2006 selling FTTP to people and homes.

      It is no shock he can not prove his claims AGAIN!

  5. @thefacts Most developers aren’t there yet, they can see the benefit of Satellite distribution but Internet isn’t there (which is damn annoying as we can run the fibre to do both at the same time)

  6. Avatar Chris Conder

    fibre fred, I am not on B4RN gigabit yet. so can’t give you my stats. If you have a good infinity service (then you are one of the lucky few) I guess most b4rn customers won’t be doing much more at the moment than you do. The difference is they can do more when they choose to, or when new services happen. You are tied to the copper, and that is the downfall of current policy. It has simply made a few go a bit faster, yet hasn’t helped the ones on long lines, and it certainly isn’t going to help you in the future.
    Gadget, the cloth was made available to help the long lines, yet they have used it to cherry pick and not to clothe the areas it was allocated to, ie the rural areas. Therefore the emperor is saying the job is going well, haw haw, and he’s naked.
    Most of the rolls of cloth available in the UK are gonna be wasted on a train set. Again, because the emperor is a fool.

    • Avatar FibreFred

      I love how you refer to “a few” 🙂

      Why won’t it help me in the future?

      When I was on dial-up and I needed more speed I went to ISDN, then when I needed more ADSL and now, VDSL when the time comes that I need even more (which I expect will be quite some time) they’ll be another offering, sounds like a future to me.

      You are totally right, users of B4RN are set-up, no need to go back and change things but the B4RN model doesn’t scale. FTTH is totally the right choice for B4RN and its also “technically” the right for the rest of the UK, just not financially.

      I’m sure in 5-8yrs time there will be nothing B4RN users are doing day in day out that I can’t do on my rubbish FTTC connection.

    • Avatar George

      “I’m sure in 5-8yrs time there will be nothing B4RN users are doing day in day out that I can’t do on my rubbish FTTC connection.”

      Yet earlier in your post you say you updated the tech you used over the years and ironically most of those developments you mention had around that time frame between them.

    • Avatar No clue

      Oh for the love of everything mighty do not confuse IT with numbers again.

  7. Avatar Chris Conder

    Fred, the customers round here are still on dial up, they couldn’t get ISDN as there were no spare pairs on the copper, they were promised ADSL in 2003 if they campaigned to get their exchange enabled, (which they did) and now they are being promised ‘superfast’ with not a hope in hell of getting it. They get satellites if they can afford them and turn them off in the daytime to save data for evening work and homework. Its the people like this who are being cheated by hype and statistics, because if an exchange is enabled they enter the stats as homes passed. Just like the rich people in London. Statistically they will count as ‘superfast’. All we want is some truth. We know we don’t all need a gig now, we just need a connection that works, and when it comes to long line lengths they just can’t get it down the copper. If you’re gonna replace the copper with fibre you might as well light it at a gig, doesn’t cost much more than 100 Mbps. As for backhaul if you are peering you don’t need much, and with a gig pipe users soon have what they asked for so the network road is idle for a lot of the time it isn’t like a country lane bunged up with vans and wagons. It is the most efficient way to move data. More backhaul can be added at the flick of a switch when needed.

    • Avatar Raindrops

      He thinks back in 2006 any housing development could have FTTP if it wanted, from who though remains a the realm of fiction in his head.

    • Avatar George

      He also seems to now be confusing those that build networks with those that provide end user products LOL

  8. Avatar New_Londoner

    As posted against the similar story published in The Guardian online on Sunday, it’s an interesting article but unfortunately totally factually inaccurate. For example there are numerous properties in the same area as Pan Peninsular that have been supplied with fast broadband (fibre to the premises or FTTP) by Openreach.

    The article also fails consider whether the purchasers of £20m properties would even feel the need to purchase broadband, which is after all a way of providing relatively low cost access to high bandwidth by sharing it. I suspect a resident in One Park Lane may in fact prefer to use a dedicated fibre circuit rather than have their data routed alongside that of their neighbours, and cost is hardly a consideration in this case!

    Sorry to intrude on your collective argument with some facts. Do carry on.

    • Avatar Ali H - TTB

      I completely agree. They surely would just pay for there own dedicated ethernet fibre connection. What is £20k a year on connectivity, if you are paying £20m for an apartment!

    • Avatar George

      “there are numerous properties in the same area as Pan Peninsular that have been supplied with fast broadband (fibre to the premises or FTTP) by Openreach.”

      Like where???

      “I suspect a resident…”
      “Sorry to intrude on your collective argument with some facts”

      Oh you are confusing facts with your own suspicions again.

      “They surely would just pay for there own dedicated ethernet fibre connection. What is £20k a year on connectivity”

      Try that per month for a dedicated lease line from many NOT per YEAR!

    • Avatar New_Londoner

      Quote “[£20,000] per month for a dedicated leased line”

      Really? In London? What bandwidth are you talking about for that cost per month for say an Ethernet circuit? Remember its a competitive market, plenty of choice.

    • Avatar George

      Im still waiting on you telling us all which ‘numerous properties’ near this development have BT FTTP.

      As for dedicated lines im talking 1000Mbps, not 100Mb barely better than FTTC which cost 10 grand a year.

  9. Avatar zemadeiran

    Hook those wealthy bastards up to the nearest carrier neutral data center with a bit of sewer fiber!!!

    Sorted…

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