By: MarkJ - 23 September, 2009 (1:33 PM) - Score: 4005 - Fixed Line Broadband
Plans to impose £0.50p per month tax on all fixed UK phone lines (Next Generation Fund), which would be used to help fund deployment of next generation broadband services around the country, look to be back after the government confirmed it would soon be made law; crucially, before the next general election.

The Digital Britain report set a target of 2017 for 90% of UK homes and businesses to be within reach of next generation broadband lines by 2017 (here) and the fund was seen as crucial to this effort. However several concerns were raised, such as the added cost for low income families, the difficulty in gaining fair distribution of the money itself and the fact that the tax might not be enough to do the job.

The fund has also faced opposition from the Conservative party, which noted the tax's potentially unattractive nature to voters. However, rather than leave it until after the election and risk its new tax being scrapped, the government has instead managed to push it into this year’s finance bill.

Stephen Timms, the governments Treasury Minister, has been quoted in today's Guardian as saying: "My aim is that we should legislate for [THE TAX] this side of a general election." The move is curious because parliamentary convention typically requires that pre-election finance bills should be short and uncontroversial.

We remain undecided about where the balance between pro’s and con’s with this fund should reside, although how it is distributed must surely be the most crucial matter. Having a pot of cash is one thing but knowing precisely how to use it, without unfairly disadvantaging alternative technology, is going to be trouble.
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asa logoAgrajag
Posted: 23 September, 2009 - 2:48 PM
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Surely this money isn't going to be given to a private company such as BT?

If public money is being used to create this network, then the network be should publicly owned and be expected to concentrate on performance rather than making a profit.
asa logoBT CON
Posted: 23 September, 2009 - 2:51 PM
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I will cancel my bt landline! sod it
asa logoSledgehammer
Posted: 23 September, 2009 - 3:15 PM
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What about all the people that don't have an Internet connection, who don't want one and are never likely to ever use the internet. This is just tax raising from a dead government. Any funding for this scheme should have come from the present tax system, not another tax slapped on just the telephone line rental. I am opposed to it.
asa logoMartin Pitt - Aquiss Internet
Posted: 23 September, 2009 - 3:45 PM
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I'm just wondering how we will be able to get access to the pot of funds so we can enhance services locally. Yeah thought not!

I also presume the model includes the costs of us ISPs collecting the tax and payment processing the extra funds.
asa logoMarkJ
Posted: 23 September, 2009 - 3:56 PM
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Might have been better if they had just cut the fibre tax instead and offered general tax discount incentives for investing in next generation broadband coverage solutions.
asa logoboggits
Posted: 23 September, 2009 - 4:42 PM
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Martin, the service provider doesn't see anything in terms of additional revenue as its classed as a tax (much like VAT). It will actually end up costs ISPs to implement as they'll have to change their billing systems to be able to collect it (it will have to appear on the bill as a separate non-VAT item).
asa logoSP
Posted: 23 September, 2009 - 5:25 PM
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I can appreciate everyones point of view, but in my experience people (especially residential users) want the best service for nothing. ISP's have tackled this by utilising LLU and contending services. With fibre though, its a different game all together. Yes, it can be contended, but the deployment involved is massive. How do you expect the already over-stretched budget to account for millions possibly billions of investment without more tax? The money has to come from somewhere. Yes, the government could offer tax advantages to private companies but telcos will only invest in a new deployment if the figures add up, which will create even more of a digital devide. I'm not happy about the 50p extra, but do you want faster internet access or not? In my opinion its the contention that needs to be resolved the not the flagship download speeds.
asa logoAgrajag
Posted: 23 September, 2009 - 7:40 PM
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Do i want faster internet? Well, no not really, i'm fortunate enough to be able to get 17mb from an ADSL2+ connection.

What I do want is to be able to use the many legitimate download services (and those soon to be available), without getting a warning letter or even penalised by my ISP for going over my monthly limit.

If this tax will make that happen any time soon, then maybe it will be worth an extra 50p P/M.
asa logoPANTS
Posted: 23 September, 2009 - 8:49 PM
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mmmh well they do need something else to make-up the tax they lost on smoking! So i guess this is it, you dont think they will ever use it for broadband!
Road Tax - never spent on roads!!
Income Tax (started to pay for us to fight the french) still paying it.
broadband tax - will never be spent on broadband
asa logoBlue-Slate
Posted: 23 September, 2009 - 9:06 PM
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Perhaps, ISPReview could start a campaign, asking the Government where the 10 percent of the population will be that won’t ever get this next generation service.
asa logoseeyouentee
Posted: 24 September, 2009 - 12:11 AM
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Or this nation could get of it's arses for once and do something about it instead of complaining!!
asa logoAlan
Posted: 24 September, 2009 - 6:24 PM
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So my elderly relations all well into their 80`s and have no idea what even the internet does let alone Broadband are having to pay this 50p for the benefit of others ?
Another tax where the payer will see no benefit whatsoever.
I just hope the opposition trample it to death
asa logoNick
Posted: 25 September, 2009 - 10:48 AM
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What's a phone line for these purposes? Any geographic number, a physical pair into a building, or what? And is it just on domestic phones, with businesses not contributing?
asa logohipokondriak
Posted: 25 September, 2009 - 2:28 PM
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Another Tax?

Bring it on... yeah!

As soon as it hits the floor on the bt phone bill or mt IP monthly bill, then that service gets the bullet....

If that means I have no internet, then so be it. If enough people do it, the eventually companies stop trading, the government loses a tax revenue stream, and fewer companies providing an internet connection, which means less revenue to the ....... you get my drift.

Give this proposal the attention it deserves, and tell your local mp what to do with it...
asa logoseeyouentee
Posted: 25 September, 2009 - 4:35 PM
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@hipokondriak. Well said mate, dont pay it thats the only way.
But how many people have the balls to do that in this country?
I wouldn't think twice, just a shame you couldn't say that for the rest of the gutless complainers out there. If everyone done it they'd soon scrap it. Come on people grow a set of BALLS.

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