By: MarkJ - 28 November, 2009 (8:11 AM) - Score: 5610 - Wi-Fi, Piracy
piracyFears that the UK government’s new Digital Economy Bill could destroy FREE public wireless (Wi-Fi) broadband services appear to have come one step closer today. Wi-Fi operator The Cloud informs that a pub owner running one of its open Wi-Fi Hotspots has been fined £8,000 after an unknown customer used the service to download illegal files.

Ironically we reported only yesterday (here) that Lilian Edwards, a Professor of Internet Law at the University of Sheffield, had identified a section of the new Bill that appears to make the owner of a network legally responsible for copyright infringement by its users.

This goes against both UK and EU E-Commerce Regulations, which make operators immune from liability. Today's ZDNet report has a new quote from the same Professor, adding that such businesses should be exempt because they could be classed as a public communications service provider; apparently, under the proposed bill, only subscribers can be targeted.

However at present that Bill does not yet apply and instead the pub owner has been hit by a civil case, brought about by a copyright holder. Indeed it's easy to see how the pub could be targeted because, much as we've warned before, this kind of network uses a shared IP address between many anonymous users. Hence the network owner is the only identifiable individual.

Presently the whole issue of correctly identifying a responsible individual is more than just a legally grey area; it persistently undermines the entire bill. In the meantime we suspect that the pub above should, under current laws, win any court case brought against it. However the very fact that this can happen is likely to dissuade some newer public Internet access initiatives from developing.
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asa logoDamien
Posted: 28 November, 2009 - 10:09 AM
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Whilst this does seem unfair, the "mere conduit" argument can only be held by the service provider, the landlord of the pub would have been the "subscriber". However I dont know enough about law, but if someone unknown did the download then surely the law would remain that an "unknown individual" accessed a computer system illegally, when you go to a pub the first thing you do is "ASK CAN I USE YOUR WIFI" so if he doesnt know who did the download theres no way to prove he allowed the user even to use the wifi, therefore under uk law he is a victim of wifi theft.

Would have saved him 8 grand. All he had to say was "i only provide the service from the cloud to the customers, as no one had asked me to use the wifi, i was not reasonably expected to check what everyone around me was downloading nor from where."
asa logoChris Spackett
Posted: 28 November, 2009 - 10:33 AM
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this will not be the first case to arise from this pathetic new internet/digital law.

ISPs will lose a hell of a lot of customers, more wifi hotspots will be targeted.

always said to folk, the day the internet gets policed more in such a way is the day it all goes tits up!

nearly 80% of websites now have some form of shitty banner ad or targeted advertising its just getting stupid now.

google is to blame! greedy bastards!
asa logoMarkJ
Posted: 28 November, 2009 - 11:12 AM
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Websites have had banner adverts using basic targetted advertising since before the Internet even surfaced in the UK cheese .
asa logocurtis
Posted: 28 November, 2009 - 4:35 PM
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A lot cafe's and pub's and other buinesses that offer free wi-fi will stop offering this service as it has now come to light the owners will fined & not the unknown user?
the end of wi-fi hotspots maybe on the cards thanks our idoit run government?
asa logorogerh
Posted: 28 November, 2009 - 6:41 PM
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Quite honestly it's difficult to draw any conclusions from the given facts. What was the offence and under which law? Was he found guilty or did he plead guilty?
asa logoCarrot63
Posted: 28 November, 2009 - 8:07 PM
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So, not only is the music industry responsible for the woeful state of music/music distribution, it seems they're going to put paid to the idea of widely available public wifi internet services. The gov can cross that one off their list of "innovative and eye-catching" ways to attain the USO. Perhaps music.biz can now move on to closing down the national grid as this facilitates file sharing, or perhaps Curry, Dixons etc as they sell the kit to do it.

There is a word (or two) for these people.
asa logoAllan
Posted: 29 November, 2009 - 10:49 AM
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It is a pity they kept from us which company brought the copyright action, so we can avoid buying their products, because any company that sues someone for copyright infringement when they only supplied internet access doesn't care about justice, they just want the money.
asa logocurtis
Posted: 29 November, 2009 - 1:08 PM
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There are a couple of pubs and a few cafes in my area now considering cancelling their WI-FI contacts as they cannot afford these fines with the resession? or yet more people out on the dole? mr brown & mandy have a lot to answer for?

why don't we just ban all computers tv's dvds radios and shut down all electrical retailers & department stores and then the music biz wont able to promote their music as there wont be nothing to listen too? the UK has become one BIG Joke run by idoits in government & greedy music biz's
asa logotimeless
Posted: 30 November, 2009 - 12:05 AM
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we shall see allot more of this kinda stuff until the law is amended.... if it ever is, either way someone is getting some backhanders out of this imho.
asa logoCarl Barron
Posted: 1 December, 2009 - 4:06 PM
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Both technically and legally speaking this new Law as to downloading ‘Copyright Material is seriously faulty. As 99% of every WebPage you view be it Google News or other commercial webpage is Copyrighted, hence when you download that page under this faulty law you are committing a crime as it is downloaded into your web browser to enable you to read it.

Hence all such public facilities offering either Internet connection be it Wi-Fi hotspot.or other should consult with a solicitor as to placing a ‘Disclaimer Notice’ in full view of the public, and or getting the user / users to sign a disclaimer disclaiming any legal responsibilities for content viewed or downloaded.

Signed Carl Barron Chairman of agpcuk

http://carl-agpcuk.livejournal.com/
asa logoBoxer
Posted: 1 December, 2009 - 6:36 PM
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Re:- Timeless

We shall see allot more of this kinda stuff until the law is amended.... if it ever is, either way someone is getting some backhanders out of this imho.

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Let's see now ... mmmmmm! Din-dins with the Media top brass followed by "A Bright New Idea" that was never discussed over dinner. Could be true I suppose but what about during 'after dinner drinks'?
To find out what a politician has been upto during his career, just watch who he works for after his career ends. It's not always cash that gets backhanded!
You can call me cynical if you wish but after the recent goings on in Parliament, I'm just a tad suspicious of the lot of them. The words nest and feathers spring easily to mind at the very mention of any of their names.
As for that unfortunate landlord, all I can say is "The Law is an Ass" and this proves it!!

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