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By: MarkJ - 23 August, 2010 (1:50 AM) - Score: 10382 - Fixed Line Broadband, Piracy
p2p uk music pirateThe manager of popular music band U2, Paul McGuinness, has slammed broadband ISPs in the UK and around the world for "decimating the music industry" by profiting off the availability of FREE unlawful copyright file sharing (P2P) downloads. Some of the remarks almost mirror those made by U2's front man, Bono, last year (here) and show an equal lack of technical understanding.

The controversial comments were made in the August edition of GQ Magazine UK and include praise for the country's recent Digital Economy Act 2010 (DEA), which McGuinness believes has helped to create "some of the world's best legal environments for rebuilding our battered music business". That remains to be seen.

McGuinness continues on to attack ISPs and "anonymous bloggers" for their harsh criticism, before telling broadband providers that the "free-music bonanza has got to stop". Sadly some of the comments continue to demonstrate a complete misunderstanding of both why MOST people use the internet and how ISPs actually work. Here's a few highlights from what he said.
Paul McGuinness Comment Highlights

* "For the world's internet service providers, bloated by years of broadband growth, "free music" has become a multi-billion dollar bonanza."

* "Look at the figures as free music helped drive an explosion of broadband revenues in the past decade. Revenues from the "internet access" (fixed line and mobile) business quadrupled from 2004 to 2009 to $226bn."

* "Free content has helped fuel the vast profits of the technology and telecoms industries."

* "I've done a lot of debating on this issue in the past two years. I have walked the corridors of Brussels, learned about the vast resources of the telecoms industry's lobbying machinery and encountered truly frightening naivety about the basics of copyright and intellectual property rights from politicians who should know better."
Many of the remarks ignore the fact that most big ISPs, at least in the UK, do not make their profits solely from internet access. Indeed profit margins per customer tend to be quite small and some broadband providers are only now moving into profitability after years of difficult subsidy (Sky, TalkTalk etc.). We also keep seeing reports of rising digital music download revenues.

Similarly mobile operators are known, according to Ofcom, to only account for a tiny proportion of music piracy due to stricter network controls and P2P blocking. So it is perhaps not fair to mention them at all, although other countries could be different.

Most critically McGuinness appears not to understand that the worst offenders of piracy are often also the most costly to support, with just a small percentage of customers being able to consume the bulk of an ISPs COSTLY SHARED bandwidth and thus reduce the performance for other users. This is a huge problem and is part of the reason why so many ISPs already restrict network traffic.

A TalkTalk Spokesperson told ISPreview.co.uk earlier this year:

"ISPs generate no additional revenue or profit from customers sharing files. In fact we incur some marginal cost due to the extra bandwidth required."

Darren Farnden, Head of Marketing at Entanet UK, echoed:

"Those of us within this supposedly swollen, profit rich Internet industry are more than aware of the reality. Consumer demand for the cheapest, fastest broadband continues to increase resulting in even lower profit margins for us “greedy” ISPs. And as for the comment about our “swollen profits perfectly mirroring the lost receipts of the music business” – where do we begin?

I would hazard a guess that these, are yet again, calculated on flawed hypothetical principles that everyone who downloads illegally would actually legally purchase the same amount of music. This is ridiculous. Just because Fred can download 20 songs for free does not mean that he would have otherwise paid for them all."

McGuinness even appears to mistakenly believe that the only reason why consumers want more broadband bandwidth is to download unlawful content, saying, "do people want more bandwidth to speed up their e-mails or to download music and films as rapidly as possible?"

We take from this that he does not understand the massive wealth of other legal and rich media content being demanded these days, such as multiplayer gaming, game updates, game demos, software updates, xbox live, PSN, Facebook pictures and videos, YouTube, BBC iPlayer, Skype.. need we go on? Many consumers will also buy flexible packages when they don't actually need them and unavoidable technological change/improvement also plays a part.
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Posted: 23 August, 2010 - 5:56 AM
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*sigh* yet more babble from those who dont take the time to get to know the technology, how many millions has he made off the music industry? does he buy tickets and music? or does he get free CDs :|
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Posted: 23 August, 2010 - 7:22 AM
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This all seems to be collabarating with rumors I've heard of mega corporations like Google and Verizon wanting to restrict the web and reduce the freedoms of the internet just like China.

I don't buy this nonsense from U2, the music industry has been ruined because of the economic climate and they should be angry with the bankers that stole all the money, not people who download music, because they are their customers. I'm sure U2 are still well into the millions anyway, jumped up little tossers.

If ISP's can't provide users with their quoted speeds, they shouldn't aggressively advertise and promote said speeds.
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Posted: 23 August, 2010 - 8:08 AM
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Most people who lets say download games, buy it if they like it.

"Just because Fred can download 20 songs for free does not mean that he would have otherwise paid for them all."

True, a lot of people wouldn't buy it anyway so how are they losing money????
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Posted: 23 August, 2010 - 10:04 AM
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Typical ISPs jumping on the music industry's bandwagon! After all, they've been leading the way for two or three decades, turning out album after album of endless repetitive overpriced drivel with all the creativity of the accountants they are.

Some people look in the mirror and see only what they wish to see.
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Posted: 23 August, 2010 - 10:56 AM
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McGuinness said "[I] encountered truly frightening naivety about the basics of copyright and intellectual property rights from politicians who should know better."

...while simultaneously displaying frightening naivety about ISPs business models & users' behaviour. This, from a music biz person "who should know better".

The man is a fool, but one with a loud voice.
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Posted: 23 August, 2010 - 10:58 AM
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What I'm looking for - which is in fact a decent U2 track online that I can download via p2p.

Mr McGuiness I recall you and your lot in Glasgow many years ago freeloading - or trying to. How times change.

Oh and you just lost another U2 long term supporter who won't pay for your over inflated, expensive band releases ever again.

And you need to remember how your multi millioanaire egotistical cash cow got there in the first place sunshine with another of your pals songs.

"Sometimes You Can't Make It on Your Own."

Cya numb nuts.
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Posted: 23 August, 2010 - 2:28 PM
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Typical really. It's what we have come to expect from these recording labels and media giants. They spew the same **** from their mouths time after time. They are hypocritical morons IMO. The thing that stands out most for me, is that these labels owe huge sums of money in royalties to artists, because many release compilation CD's without the artist consent, and haven't paid them what they are owed. Then the same labels whinge and moan at people who get the same music for free, and try to make people fell guilty, by saying the poor artists are struggling because they are not getting the money they are owed, because people are not paying for the music.

There is one rule for us, and a different rule for the big wigs. They will knowingly and shaft music artists to make their millions, yet people who just want to listen to music, and make no profit from it, they are evil ones apparently.
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Posted: 23 August, 2010 - 2:55 PM
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That really is a load of hypocritical bollocks from U2 plc seeing as 2 years ago they moved everything off shore to avoid paying Income tax in the UK or the ROI.
Bunch of overated predictable tossers.
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Posted: 23 August, 2010 - 10:13 PM
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l remember hearing the same babble about cassette tapes.. or at least through a 3rd party.. hell if you tape off the radio (which technically is outdated these days) you can easily grab music off there.. yet they go for the most lucrative method of going for ISPs.
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Posted: 23 August, 2010 - 10:28 PM
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No mention of the countries when one can go to a stall on the street and just buy pirated music. Those people are making money from pirated music, not the people who just want to listen to the music, and according to some surveys, would be willing to buy it legally afterwards. Of course though, trying to tackle the pirates who are making money from it, is too costly. Better to go for the easy option right?
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Posted: 23 October, 2010 - 2:36 PM
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What makes me laugh is most of todays music is crap & should not be being passed off as quality music at premium prices in the first place, i also disagree with the royalties thing as well as this dumb assed DEB that just proves how inept the people are, who are running this country all i can say to mr u2 manager is tuff sh*t mate that's life get on with it,stop bleating like a lamb
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