By: MarkJ - 24 October, 2011 (7:11 AM) - Score: 4100 - Fixed Line Broadband
fibre optic cablebt openreach logoBTOpenreach, which provides rival Internet Service Providers (ISP) with equal access to BT's local UK telecoms infrastructure, has revealed the timetable for its Fibre-to-the-Cabinet ( FTTC ) based superfast broadband speed trial and upgrade to 80Mbps (Megabits per second).

BT revealed earlier this year (here) that it planned to boost the maximum speed of FTTC up to 80Mbps (20Mbps uploads) by increasing its spectrum allocation within the Access Network Frequency Plan (ANFP) from 7MHz to 17MHz. This does not require new hardware and is not dependent upon vectoring (i.e. a cheap and fairly easy upgrade).

At present the maximum download speed of FTTC is 40Mbps (10-15Mbps uploads). FTTC itself ( aka - BT-Infinity ) delivers a fibre optic cable from the exchange to your local street cabinet (i.e. replacing the old copper line), while the remaining connection (between cabinets and homes) is done using VDSL2 via existing copper cable (similar to current ADSL broadband but faster over short distances).

The new timetable reveals that BT aims to complete the essential DSLAM profile and other changes for 80Mbps FTTC between late November 2011 and 28th January 2012. The first ISP trials will then take place between the end of January 2012 and March 2012. At present the official product launch hasn't been finalised and is merely listed as being "planned for later in 2012".

The 80Mbps product will initially follow the same fault threshold rate of 15Mbps (i.e. speeds below that are considered a fault) as their existing 40Mbps service. BT and some other ISPs also offer a threshold of 5Mbps for longer lines. A third fault threshold (TBA) will launch when the product itself goes live, although a new flexible fault threshold will be introduced from 19th March 2012, which will enable ISPs "to more flexibly provide bundled services to end users".

BT recently hinted at future plans that could push FTTC to 100Mbps and beyond by using some form of vectoring based solution. At present Alcatel-Lucent, which BT already works with, is the only firm with a commercial solution on the table (here). BT is also warning that some customers might not be able to handle the new speeds.

BTOpenreach Statement

[ISPs] are advised to check the maximum possible speed over a wireless connection their router can support. End user throughput speeds may be limited by the specification of the wireless router. In this case, CPs are urged to recommend that the end user’s laptop or PC is connected by a wired Ethernet connection before a speed fault is raised.

This is good advice because slower Wi-Fi networks often cause consumers to become confused about their ISPs actual performance, which is something that we in our 'First Year of Superfast fttc Broadband' article earlier this year.

BT is currently investing £2.5bn into its rollout of superfast broadband, which should reach 66% of UK homes by 2015 (40% in 2012) and could go significantly further once councils have decided how best to spend the Broadband Delivery UK (BDUK) office's initial budget of £530m (could rise to £830m by 2017). So far BT has already managed to reach 5 Million homes and businesses with FTTC.
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Comments: 14

asa logocyberdoyle
Posted: 24 October, 2011 - 8:15 AM
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so its still 'down to' 15meg or is it 'down to' 5meg? this is important, because no matter how fast folk can go next to a cabinet there will be many on slower lines paying the same price, yet they will enter the statistics as having 'superfast'. Just like everyone on ADSL exchanges is statistically connected to 'broadband', even though they can only get dial up.
I hope someone keeps an eye on it this time. Samknows?
asa logoMrSaffron
Posted: 24 October, 2011 - 9:27 AM
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@Cyberdoyle

On existing ADSL, those with 'dialup' speeds as you call it, are while technicallly connected to broadband are included in the 12% who cannot get a standard broadband service.

Same will apply with FTTC.

NOTE: 90% of phone lines are less than 1km (cable length) from the cabinet.
asa logoEddG
Posted: 24 October, 2011 - 9:46 AM
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In theory, everyone should see about double the speed, because those closest to the cab will double from 40 to 80, and then those further from the cab who say only get 5 maybe now looking at 8 - 10 meg, and in theory people that presently would get less than the 5 meg block on getting the service, should be able to be bought into the spectrum.

For someone like me who is 7km+ from the cabinet but is all ready getting 3meg with the right adjustments.
asa logoOwl
Posted: 24 October, 2011 - 9:49 AM
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Once again BT concentrating on those that have fast speeds while those that are still getting well below 2mb are getting left further behind.
asa logoMark
Posted: 24 October, 2011 - 10:30 AM
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"BT is also warning that some customers might not be able to handle the new speeds."

Best laugh I've had in days.
asa logoMark
Posted: 24 October, 2011 - 10:53 AM
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"NOTE: 90% of phone lines are less than 1km (cable length) from the cabinet."

Is that really true? Round here, about 90% of them are > 1km.

Cough - aliminimum.... 700m from cabinet = only ~16 out of a possible 40Mbps on the current profile.

Don't get me wrong, this is good news. Virgin Media cable finally gets a competitor to give them a kick in congested service regions.

But FTTC does not necessarily equal superfast broadband, assuming your cab is one of the selected ones that gets done. I'll be interested in seeing what sort of uplifts the new profile brings, but I suspect the new profile is going to be a push too far on the decrepit bits of the network, just like ADSL2+ was/is. And those complaining aren't having much joy in getting it "fixed".

There's a lot more work to do to adapt a phone network into a superfast broadband network than just some cabinets.
asa logoVM
Posted: 24 October, 2011 - 12:55 PM
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Virgin Media are far simple the winner overall for 100 Meg and 50 Meg better than crappy BT FTTC. No wonder BT are useless, still way behind on speed issues. BT will never win!

"BT is also warning that some customers might not be able to handle the new speeds."

Our area of virgin meedia coverage with lots of vigin customers had the best laughing at BT's face!
asa logoVM
Posted: 24 October, 2011 - 12:59 PM
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This is my virgin media 100 Meg at the busy congestion area: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1552436414.png laughing at BT fault threshold rate of 15Mbps while virgin media is 90Mbps!
asa logoMark
Posted: 24 October, 2011 - 4:27 PM
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I don't see published figures for the converts from cable to BT's version of FTTC, but BT themselves were bemoaning the take-up. The proposition of downgrading from CATV/Tivo and 30Meg to BT Vision and somewhere between 5 and 40Meg is hardly attractive even if people have forgotten what BT used to be like before they moved on.

I do hope that where public money is being spent, those disbursing it make sure the tender is for super-fast broadband delivery, and not Fibre to the Cabinet. Thus, necessitating the required mix of FTTC and FTTP.
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 24 October, 2011 - 4:41 PM
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quote"...... a new flexible fault threshold"

LMAO translation...... Oh bugger we cant fix your issue, lets pretend their is no fault.

Suddenly there will be faults which are not faults, its "unlimited" which isnt unlimited all over again.

quote"BT is also warning that some customers might not be able to handle the new speeds."

As if ALL CUSTOMERS can currently get the full 40Mb.

Typical BT always funny to read their shifting dates and made up as they go along terminology.
asa logoNew_Londoner
Posted: 24 October, 2011 - 7:16 PM
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@Deduction
quote"BT is also warning that some customers might not be able to handle the new speeds."

If you read the news item you'll note this refers to the ISP-supplied router and also wi-fi signal. Ask the early adopters of the Virgin "Superhub" and 100Mbps service about this as the hub and wi-fi link can both become the performance bottleneck rather than the broadband connection.

Reasonable advice if it helps ISPs or their customers avoid unnecessary call-out charges surely?
asa logocyber prat
Posted: 24 October, 2011 - 8:11 PM
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Look here new_londoner you are doing it all wrong.

Ahem - I live in the sticks how dare bt upgrade anyone before I have the fttp gig connection I deserve wah!!!!
Waste of money BT should refund the tax payer every penny of the 2.5bill they are wasting.....
LOL BT are crap - I have an obvious line fault (16m on 700M) but id rather fill the internet with complaints than report to my ISP.
Or be like VM with childish posts which add nothing.

Talking specifics, tech or market is not clever. Endlessly trolling the internet for any thread relating to BT / FTTC / Copper is.
asa logoEddG
Posted: 24 October, 2011 - 9:08 PM
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@cyber prat,
If you have a fault, then that could be down to many things. People on the BT Forums (http://community.bt.com) are always willing to help.
asa logoMark
Posted: 25 October, 2011 - 1:06 AM
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^ I think you might have missed some implied sarcasm there.

Funny thing is that 16Mbps on BT's brand new fibre service isn't a fault. It's just a reflection of the age and unsuitability of parts of the network to deliver superfast broadband services. Believe I made that point.

The 2.5bn isn't taxpayer's money. It's what BT is investing.

And anyone who lives in the "sticks", or indeed anywhere can always accept that the market won't fulfil their needs, and pursue their own broadband network independently of anything that BT does.



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