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ISPs and Content Providers Respond to Ofcom’s UK Net Neutrality Review

Tuesday, Jan 4th, 2022 (1:00 am) - Score 3,728
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However, there are a few caveats to this, because the ISPA would still support an explicit carve-out of enterprise-grade business services from the regime, which can be highly tailored (e.g. SDN, NFV, 5G, hybrid networks and IoT). “If a wholesale carve-out is not possible, Ofcom should at least consider clarifying the application of specialised services in relation to enterprise grade connectivity,” said the ISPA.

The association also seeks a different approach to “high traffic events“, due to “the risk of service degradation due to a small number of content providers updating their offering simultaneously,” which is increasing year on year (this sounds similar to the point that BT made about off-peak updates for video games etc.).

The ISPA would also like to see more clarity from Ofcom on how the UK’s net neutrality framework can “accommodate the potential for innovation offered by full-fibre and 5G networks,” but they don’t spell out precisely what they mean by “innovation” in this case.

Netflix

The internet streaming giant is another veteran of this debate, although they have recently faced some setbacks, such as in South Korea where a local ISP – SK Broadband – successfully sued the firm in a dispute over content delivery costs. But it’s important to stress that the law in South Korea is different from the UK, not least because they already allow for network usage fees through a 2016 framework. This is perhaps also one of the reasons why internet IP transit prices in Korea are now significantly more expensive than quite a few other countries.

Extract from Netflix’s Response

Netflix has observed some ISPs use their position over access to customers in order to extract network fees from content providers instead of working together to provide the best quality of service under a more cooperative approach. These fees serve no purpose other than providing a rent for the ISP, as ISPs have little incentive to use revenues from interconnection fees to build out network capacity or reduce rates for end-users.

In fact, seeking network payments will lead to perverse incentives for the ISPs as the only way to force a content provider to pay is to ensure the congestion of all alternative routes (through Transit ISPs) into the ISP’s network. Such restrictive interconnection practices have two consequences. First, customers of the ISP will receive poor performance on any content or service not directly connected to the ISP, despite paying for access to the entire internet, and second, the only alternative for a content provider will be to either pay a termination fee or suffer congestion and quality degradation.

Suffice to say, Netflix broadly and predictably supports the current rules, although they do want to see a closer examination of Zero Rating plans, such as those that only apply to certain video streaming services but not others.

Three UK

Mobile operators have a long history of arguing against Net Neutrality rules, thus it will come as no surprise that Three UK argues strongly for more flexibility, seemingly across as many areas as it can. “If anything, improved traffic management measures will allow customers to have more reliable access to various types of more basic services as more data-heavy services are managed more appropriately,” said Three.

Virgin Media (VMO2)

VMO2, which much like BT sits in that awkward ground of being a mobile operator, content broadcaster and broadband provider – all rolled into one, views the current regulation as being based off a “poorly drafted law, reflective of the fact that it represents a compromise position to address a potential problem that few legislators really understood at the time of adoption.”

Extract from VMO2’s Response

Ofcom should feel emboldened to take an expansive approach to its review and engender a more permissive and equitable net neutrality regime. This does not necessarily mean that there is no place for a net neutrality regulatory framework. Rather, we believe that the way forward is a principles-based approach enshrining transparency and the maintenance of freedom of access, and fostering the freedom to innovate.

As far as the current legislative framework is concerned, there is no need for over-interpretation of existing law – instead, Ofcom should merely clarify where the drafting is imprecise. The internet is a dynamic economy precisely because it is not regulated – this ability to innovate freely must be applied to the telecoms sector if it is to keep pace with the rest of the value chain. Ofcom should not be placed in the position of ‘approving’ technological innovation for ECS/ECNs because of over-prescriptive interpretations of what are high level concepts enshrined in the law.

Vodafone

As with other mobile operators, Vodafone argues strongly against Net Neutrality and calls for the existing rules to recieve “significant reform” as they allegedly limit “the potential of network and service benefits that can be offered to consumers, businesses, and the public sector.” The operator’s response is quite long and thus difficult to summarise, but they somehow manage to suggest that the current rules are delivering “inferior outcomes for UK consumers,” which is highly debatable.

Extract from Vodafone’s Response

Regulation in the context of Net Neutrality has overreached. It has sought to guard against a problem that has never manifested itself in the UK. The success of competition between retail broadband and mobile providers acts as a natural constraint against any attempts to materially influence the internet experience of consumers. There are no significant co-ownership concerns regarding ISPs and content providers in the UK, negating the need for such restrictive rules.

There is also a question of fairness. Today the rules are firmly focused in the wrong place. While intense retail competition prevents network providers acting to influence internet outcomes, the large platforms who dominate the internet sit outside the jurisdiction of Net Neutrality and can consequently favour their own applications and services inside their respective eco-systems and Content Delivery Networks (CDNs).

There is no incentive on these eco-systems to use network capacity efficiently, being entirely disconnected from the costs associated with providing access. This imbalance in regulatory approach is not only unjust and unsustainable, it is delivering inferior outcomes for UK consumers.

ITV

Much like the BBC and other broadcasters, the ITV supports the current approach and adds that “net neutrality rules do not appear to have acted as any form of constraint to investment.” They also criticise BT’s position on the subject.

Extract from ITV’s Response

The only firm we are aware is actively pushing for the removal of the rules is BT. BT seems to be suggesting that the growth in online services and content and a lack of coordination between content providers over when content is released means that a) their costs are increasing and b) that the network is actually unable to cope with consumer demand.

Their CEO has also suggested that the “…only contribution being made [to meet such costs] is by consumers through what they pay or by us, the networks” and asked “Is that fair?” These issues, it argues, necessitate the removal of the net neutrality rule to enable the charging of a subset of online content providers which BT argue offer the most bandwidth-intensive services. We do not believe either of these positions holds merit.

ITV goes on to note that Openreach has only recently cut its wholesale FTTP prices and warns that BT’s argument overlooks how “content providers are already investing substantially to lessen the burden on networks and improve the consumer experience” (e.g. via new content delivery / CDN arrangements). “If BT’s network cannot cope – or it cannot bear the cost of increased demand – then it should not be advocating for an unnecessarily aggressive switch to all-IP TV delivery,” added the broadcaster.

KCOM

The Hull-based provider claims to support the “concept” of Net Neutrality, but they also point out that “there has been significant growth in the market for internet access services” and these changes have, they say, resulted in “increasing demand on networks which has been accelerated by the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic … We expect that some of these impacts will be enduring.”

KCOM then suggests that the current framework “is a very blunt instrument which offers little flexibility for commercial innovation, nor does it enable ISPs to adapt to the evolving needs of their customers.” The provider then goes on to claim that “some customers may be willing to pay more for higher quality of service/enhanced capabilities in relation to particular categories of application/content (e.g., gaming) but the net neutrality framework effectively prohibits the development of these options” (i.e. they want more freedom to develop new commercial models, which could be seen as allowing some traffic discrimination).

On the flip side, they want consumers to be “given meaningful information on their usage and on the network management techniques that are deployed” by ISPs, which still isn’t provided by every internet provider (not all ISPs respect the BSG’s existing code). We agree that more transparency and wider adoption of the existing approach would be a good thing for consumers.

Curiously, though, KCOM claims that “while some traffic peaks can be anticipated, it is simply not possible for ISPs to efficiently and economically size their networks to deal with all possible events.” Sky, speaking below, appears to disagree with this perspective and, on a practical basis, we have yet to see many ISPs truly struggling to adapt to major new peaks of usage.

Sky

Interestingly, Sky (Sky Broadband), which acts as both an ISP and TV content provider (an awkward position to hold in this debate), says they “do not support the argument made by some ISPs” (e.g. BT) that the current framework is unfair because it prevents them from charging the internet companies who are responsible for the majority of internet traffic more to use their networks.

Extract from Sky’s Response

While in the UK there has been sustained growth in internet traffic and ISPs continue to invest in more network capacity to meet this growth, these costs still represent a relatively small proportion of the overall ISP cost stack for delivering internet access services and subsequently end users’ internet access bills (which remain relatively low and affordable for most). Further, the largest internet companies (and their content distribution network, CDN, partners) also bear the costs of implementing and operating networking solutions with ISPs to cache content closer to end users. These costs are passed onto the end users of the internet companies’ services.

As internet traffic continues to grow, there is no reason to believe that the current framework will not continue to support good outcomes for consumers, businesses, ISPs and internet companies. Internet companies and ISPs will continue to have a shared goal of making sure their respective products work well and this has the knock-on beneficial effect of improving the quality of delivery of other, smaller internet services. The risk with affording ISPs more scope to discriminate between sources of internet traffic is that end users’ scope to use the internet freely is diminished with ISPs favouring certain internet traffic (including their own services).

Closing Thoughts

Data usage has always grown at a fairly natural but rapid pace year-on-year, while events like COVID-19, despite being both exceptional and incredibly rare, were very well managed by the UK telecoms industry.

We’re also of the view that the advent of FTTP and 5G is not necessarily radically different from historic shifts in internet speeds and technology, such as the move from dialup to ADSL, later followed by the move to FTTC and Cable. Lest we forget that other countries have gone through the FTTP transition already and appear to have managed it without any big problems, just as ISPs always have.

However, most respondents did at least agree that there needed to be clearer guidance or rules around the Zero Rating of data traffic, albeit not always for the same reasons. Most highlighted how it helped manage situations like the COVID-19 crisis, when ISPs worked with education outlets and emergency services to offer free data usage to certain services (e.g. Oak Academy, BBC Bitesize or NHS COVID sites). On the flip side, Channel 4 is worried about the use of zero rating with other internet services, such as social media platforms. Some clarity may indeed be needed here.

Equally, there are some valid points about the realities of competition, which is to say that any internet provider choosing to impose tighter restrictions on traffic might well bleed customers to rivals who have tactically chosen to be more flexible.

At the end of the day, demand for broadband and mobile data services would not exist without internet content providers (e.g. YouTube, Netflix, websites etc.). Some ISPs may complain that the increase in related data usage from these services and others raises their costs, which is true, but that’s also the nature of the beast (a cost of doing business) and should ideally continue to be reflected in the prices we all pay as end-users.

The arguments above can, at times, seem more like an attempt by one group to shift the aforementioned extra costs on to the other group. But as we said earlier, one way or another, the consumer will still end up paying for that. We don’t envy Ofcom in having to navigate such strongly opposing views, but that is the job they exist to do and we await, with great interest, to see what they decide to do.

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26 Responses
  1. Avatar photo Ex Telecom Engineer says:

    The ISP’s have a good argument, as a significant proportion of Internet traffic has evolved into a different beast, since Net Neutrality was invoked. Over the last 10 years, new Broadcasters have appeared, and legacy Broadcasters are in the process of migrating from terrestrial/satellite to streaming. By new Broadcasters, I mean the likes of Netflix, YouTube, Prime, Disney, Now Tv, etc; By Legacy, I’m talking about BBC Iplayer, Sky Go, etc. It’s clear why the Broadcasters want to stream their content, as it removes costs associated with paying the likes of Arqiva, in the case of Terrestrial transmission, and SES S.A in the case of Satellites.
    Because of the huge Bandwidths utilized by internet Broadcasters, it stands to reason that their content provision requires ever more powerful Network Routers and Transmission Bandwidths. The Broadcasters say that they’re driving innovation, and services, but the internet also opens up access to larger audiences, for them, and their argument that they shouldn’t be penalised for Bandwidth utilisation ignores the costs loaded onto the ISP’s.
    I use Netflix and Prime, as well as watching content on Sky Go and Iplayer, so I watch most of the content highlighted in my post, I therefore benefit from the current situation. In my opinion, OFCOM should categorise Internet traffic, and define the different types of content provided; Broadcasters should pay a price for the Bandwidth they utilise on Networks, as it will still, likely, be cheaper than provision over Terrestrial/Satellite infrastructure.
    It will be interesting to see Ofcom’s conclusions. I stated previously that the ISP’s have a very good case, in my opinion, with “Broadcasters” appearing to have a Free Lunch.

    1. Avatar photo anonymous says:

      Broadcasters already pay to distribute their traffic over the internet, it’s called “transit”, or, building your own network and/or CDN to replace buying transit.

      There is no free ride for anyone on the internet, the telcos just want to get paid both by consumers and by content providers.

    2. Avatar photo Dave says:

      Broadcasters are not having a “Free lunch”. They have to pay for their connectivity to the Internet. They have to pay their providers for the capacity they are using.

      If both parties want to reduce their costs, they can set up a settlement free interconnect. This is how things have been done for years, and it’s incredibly cheap to implement and maintain.

      Bandwidth usage goes up naturally. This happened long before the advent of IPTV, and will continue as new services appear, and existing ones require more bandwidth.

      One thing that often gets missed is the content providers are not pushing their traffic onto some poor unsuspecting ISPs network. It is the ISPs customers that are requesting the traffic. They are the ones driving the demand.

      If the ISP cannot service their current network, and upgrade bandwidth where needed (as they have been doing for years) then their business model is broken. They need to start charging their customers appropriately to cover their costs. This is not the case however. BT posted a profit of £1.4 Billion for 2021.

      What is actually happening here is BT and potentially others have seen what is going on in other countries. They are trying to strong arm certain content providers for a cut of their profits. What will likely happen is the streaming services will up their prices in order to pay for these new bills, meaning ultimately money will go out of your pocket into the ISPs.

    3. Avatar photo Ex Telecom Engineer says:

      “Broadcasters already pay to distribute their traffic over the internet, it’s called “transit”, or, building your own network and/or CDN to replace buying transit.”

      I understand many international Broadcasters pay for capacity on subsea cables, Cloud storage, and local backhaul transmission into their Telecom provider’s Cloud Network’s, but once the traffic hits the Cloud, what are these “transit” costs? The ISP’S have to manage the costs on their network, and may not be benefitting from subsea capacity, or cloud access profits seen by some. No doubt BT and Vodafone, who own subsea capacity do benefit from some transmisson and cloud access profits, but many wont; And do these “transit” costs actually cover the full cost of capacity upgrades required on Core and access networks, to cope with Broadcaster traffic after Broadband Customer subscriptions are taken into account?
      One way, or another, the end customer will have to pay, either through their Broadband package, or through higher subscription charges to Broadcasters; Should people who don’t use Netflix, be subsidisng people like me who do?

    4. Avatar photo THB says:

      The problem with this is it becomes “unfair” to anyone deemed to be a broadcaster when there could legitimately be other content providers who use just as much, or more, bandwidth. For example, would TikTok be classed as a broadcaster? Or would they be categorised as a social media platform? They arguably use just as much download bandwidth as any other video streaming service, with the added bonus of using more upload bandwidth on the residential ISP network. It is far too much of an oversimplification for ISP’s to categorise content providers in this way, and anything more complex would likely lead to higher costs to the ISP and would not be good for the consumer.

      Additionally, ISP’s may negotiate different terms with individual content providers that may distort the market. For example, BT may negotiate favourable terms with Netflix and poor terms with YouTube, whilst Sky negotiate the reverse (favourable with YouTube and poor with Netflix). So should a consumer with BT, who have favourable Netflix terms, be subsidising a Sky consumer with unfavourable terms through higher Netflix subscription fees? It could all become far too messy for limited (if any) gain to the consumer.

    5. Avatar photo Ex Telecom Engineer says:

      “For example, would TikTok be classed as a broadcaster? Or would they be categorised as a social media platform? They arguably use just as much download bandwidth as any other video streaming service”

      I suppose it might depend on the definition of a Broadcaster, as defined by the regulator. They could base it on content, Bandwidth usage, or a number of other criteria. I don’t use TikTok, but from what I’ve seen it would probably be classed as a social media platform, in my opinion. Personally, I would class a Broadcaster as live streaming sports(BT Sport, Sky Sport, DAZN), TV & Film (BT TV, Now TV, Sky, Iplayer, Disney, etc). I would probably add YouTube to the Tv & Film category, as they stream content that’s potentially hours long; Maybe the regulators would look at the duration for streaming individual content, if and when they decide to classify Content provision into categories.
      If Facebook, and others, succeed in building a popular “Metaverse”, that may fall into a particular category if it has excessive bandwidth requirements; Who knows what Regulators Worldwide will decide? One thing’s for sure, regulators are eyeing the profits made by the Tech Giants, and will be looking at ways of onshoring as big a percentage of the profits these content providers make locally.

    6. Avatar photo anonymous says:

      @ex-telecom engineer:

      If you think it’s free to distribute video to millions of people in the UK and the receiving telcos bear all the cost, then please set up your own video streaming service and show Netflix, the BBC and YouTube they’re wasting billions on building network and CDN for nothing.

      It’s not.

      Each side pays already.

      On the ISPs side, if an ISPs cost base for serving the demand from their own customers is not sustainable they need to either revise their cost base or increase their prices. As someone upthread mentioned, BT seem to be doing quite well despite the complaints.

    7. Avatar photo THB says:

      “I suppose it might depend on the definition of a Broadcaster, as defined by the regulator.”

      And here lies the issue. The net isn’t neutral if there are specific hoops which dictate if you will be charged differently for the content you produce to make it to the end user.

      “One thing’s for sure, regulators are eyeing the profits made by the Tech Giants, and will be looking at ways of onshoring as big a percentage of the profits these content providers make locally.”

      I’m not sure changes to net neutrality will affect this. If change was to happen, it would mean those Tech Giants increase their prices so that their profits are unchanged/increase. It ultimately impacts the consumer, which would be the equivalent of leaving things as they are and ISP’s charging the consumer more to cover their increased costs of moving content around their network (or force ISP’s to innovate to reduce their cost base).

    8. Avatar photo Ex Telecom Engineer says:

      “On the ISPs side, if an ISPs cost base for serving the demand from their own customers is not sustainable they need to either revise their cost base or increase their prices. As someone upthread mentioned, BT seem to be doing quite well despite the complaints.”

      Well Ofcom wouldn’t be doing the review, if there wasn’t a case for reform. Whatever the result of the review, Ofcom can only advise, the Politicians will have the final say, as they’re the ones who will have to make any changes in Law. I suppose it will come down to increasing prices for all Broadband users, or allowing the ISP’s to squeeze the highly profitable Tech Giants, with a subsequent increase in online subscription charges for streaming services, I know which ones I’d target. It isn’t like the Tech Giant can’t afford to have some profits creamed off the top.

    9. Avatar photo anonymous says:

      @ex telecom engineer

      “It isn’t like the Tech Giant can’t afford to have some profits creamed off the top.”

      Two responses to that:

      1. this wouldn’t just affect “tech giants”, any platform or service on the Internet would then have to pay a telco to deliver content demanded by that telco’s customers. This would lead to a fragmented and less open Internet where certain services just wouldn’t bother paying so certain sites would become inaccessible to you. For example, after GDPR, a whole bunch of US newspaper websites decided the cost of compliance wasn’t worth it, so those sites are now inaccessible to Europeans. You might just find that your own favourite website would be one of those cut off, and there would be nothing you could do about it, until you could extract yourself from your 2 year ISP contract and move ISP.

      2. “Tech companies are rich” is the sort of genius thinking that led to the UK Digital Services Tax, which became a separate line item on the bill for all UK advertisers, and didn’t hurt tech companies at all… https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/sep/01/googles-advertisers-will-take-the-hit-from-uk-digital-service-tax

    10. Avatar photo Ex Telecom Engineer says:

      ““Tech companies are rich” is the sort of genius thinking that led to the UK Digital Services Tax, which became a separate line item on the bill for all UK advertisers, and didn’t hurt tech companies at all”

      It would seem that they have a monopoly then,going off the Guardian article, so they should be heavily regulated to the point local competition can step in and replace them. The Tech Giants have been allowed to grow unchecked, for too long, actions like forcing price rises onto UK customers in response to Government taxation, only highlights why big tech should be broken up, allowing more competition.
      I would suggest Google hammered a nail in their own coffin by passing a taxation cost onto UK customers in isolation to the worldwide customers, there might even be a case to sue them under competion law, as their actions are discriminatory toward UK customers.
      Look at Facebook and Giphy as an example of what happens when a Tech Giant thumbs its nose at a regulator. Regulators also tend to talk to each other, which probably means the US Tech Giants are facing a rocky ride going forward.

    11. Avatar photo MikeP says:

      “Well Ofcom wouldn’t be doing the review, if there wasn’t a case for reform.”

      2 points: Ofcom may be doing the review as part of a regular review of policies (I must confess I don’t know the context of this review)

      If they’re doing it because a case for reform is being made, it may well be that a vested interest is making the case for a reform that would be detrimental to consumers – as appears to be the case here. Let’s not forget that the raison d’etre of regulators is to protect the interests of consumers against the negative effects of untramelled commercial interests.

    12. Avatar photo anonymous says:

      @ex telecom engineer

      If there is a competition issue (and I’m not arguing either way on that), then I wouldn’t try and solve it through net neutrality rules… trying to force tech companies to pay telcos to deliver traffic demanded by their users is just going to result in a “UK Streaming Surcharge” on your Netflix bill.

    13. Avatar photo Matthew B says:

      Absolutely keen to keep net neutrality in place as it stands now. The one thing I’d very much like is for the streaming providers out there to give us the ability to download and watch stuff on our TV (similar to a sky box but in small form factor), and have our stuff just download whatever we want on an overnight schedule. We wouldn’t need a fast connection, we wouldn’t be bandwidth hogging at peak time for ISP’s either. But the likes of Netflix and Amazon have stripped away more and more our ability to do that the last few years. Even airplay mirroring from an iOS device nowhas been artificially removed by those companies. It shouldn’t be that hard to do, seeing as tablets etc already do this, and it’s ridiculous that the only way I can work out to do it is via damned illegal methods. Which is plain nuts.

  2. Avatar photo Regorimabitbackward says:

    In principle your right but I would also argue this, I currently pay my electric company a standing charge, which I understand helps to provide and maintain the service. I then pay for the amount of electricity I use the more I use the more I pay. My broadband however is unlimited at a fixed charge now I would argue surely It would be a lot fairer if the people who use it the most pay the most.

    1. Avatar photo Matt says:

      How about no being disabled I’m stuck in and I relie on the Internet and gameing eg services so making people that are allready paying alot pay more is disgusting I pay 120 pound a month for my service why should I pay more! Why would we go back to die up charging what makes me laff is all the people that want the change are not bothered as thay propley hardly use there Internet so jog on if you think I’m going to pay more than I am all ready greedy I’m all for a priority for gameing for an xtra but better not f with my usage thow

    2. Avatar photo Ex Telecom Engineer says:

      “My broadband however is unlimited at a fixed charge now I would argue surely It would be a lot fairer if the people who use it the most pay the most.”

      I’m not sure you can directly compare Electricity provision with Internet Traffic, as Electricity is basically one product; You can pay your provider extra for Green Electricity, but this will only affect the mix of Electricity the provider purchases on the wholesale markets. Your provider will have costs associated with infrastructure, to companies like National Grid, in much the same way as Openreach charge ISP’s using their Infrastructure.
      Telecom companies infrastructure is based in the country they provide services, so they have local costs associated with powering their networks, installing Infrastructure, etc, and getting a return on their investment; A Broadcaster operating from a different country, offering a subscription service, potentially earns high revenues with little investment in local infrastructure, and therefore benefits from a competitive Net Neutral environment reducing their operating costs.
      Clearly an international Broadcaster utilising Telecom Infrastructure, and making huge profits from subscription services with little investment in local infrastructure, is damaging for the economies they operate in, but aren’t based in.

      You also said, “I would argue surely It would be a lot fairer if the people who use it the most pay the most”, the easiest way to do that is to transfer a proportion of the Network costs, from the ISP’s to the Broadcasters; How Ofcom might achieve that, is anyone’s guess.

  3. Avatar photo Matt says:

    Traffic shaping only benefits the isp so why screw over the coustmers let me no of any benefits the coustmers will have

    Cons pay more
    Traffic will be slowed down real time apps will suffer and if that happens I’ll join whoever treats me with respect and doesn’t mess me with gameing and usage I understand that the isps want to smooth out the usage but punishing the coustmers is disgusting thay allready charge far to much

  4. Avatar photo Matt says:

    Do u expect a disabled person to pay 100s for bb acsses its disgusting wanting to make us pay more than we allready do

    1. Avatar photo Anonymous says:

      wait what ? You should get discounted internet for being disabled ? Why ?

    2. Avatar photo DisabledDefence says:

      @Anon

      Because they’re disabled, they clearly have reduced funds and a far greater healthcare costs (NHS doesn’t cover everything they require).
      Nearly every service provided is reduced for disabled people, Are you trying to imply they should be paying the same as able bodied people?

  5. Avatar photo Kim says:

    just replace net neutrality laws with one rule “isps may not charge content providers” enough of this two sided market i’m with netflix here

  6. Avatar photo Jack says:

    So basically ISP’s that don’t invest in capacity want money to solve their problems?

    An example is if an ISP sells an unlimited 80/20 it should have capacity for the customer to basically use it at full rate 24/7. If you can’t do that without claiming you need extra money to cover streaming etc from other providers then don’t offer unlimited access.

  7. Avatar photo Laurence 'GreenReaper' Parry says:

    I run a furry art community that delivers its members’ content around the world. We pay a large portion of our budget already to host VPS and dedicated servers to form a custom CDN in different locations – including London, but also Sao Paulo, Tokyo, Singapore, Sydney, Virginia, etc.

    Transfer costs, which in the more expensive locations tend to be on a TB/month basis rather than unlimited at a particular bandwidth, form a significant proportion of the expense of such servers and are usually the limiting factor. I. Europe we might have unlimited transfer – in Tokyo or Australia, 1-3TB/month per VPS, or a bit more for a dedicated server.

    One of the main reasons for costs being high in particular locations is that incumbent local ISPs are able to extract exorbitant fees from server hosts to connect with them. These fees are passed on in the form of transfer limits or overages. It means that, since we are able to deliver less content there than we would otherwise, users of those ISPs get a worse service. Instead, what usually happens is that we direct people to get files from our servers in Europe; which while far away, costs us less.

    In the USA, we (or rather, our visitors) see the impacts of congestion fairly regularly as packet loss when local interchanges are overloaded, the ISPs there using the same argument that “they’re pushing this data to us, they should be paying for transit” – conveniently forgetting that access to such data is what consumers – their actual customers – pay for; the service they are providing. Such ISPs deliberately allow such customer service to degrade, because they figure they won’t be blamed for it; and if they are, there aren’t good alternatives to switch to (and people who notice are relatively heavy users already).

    Regulators should not allow the ISPs to insert themselves as rent-takers or gatekeepers on both sides of the equation, not to impose artificial distinctions for product segmentation purposes as opposed to providing a good service for all sorts of data to all.

  8. Avatar photo Optimist says:

    This increase in data usage is consumer-led so either the ISPs should invest more in infrastructure to cope or introduce tariffs based on data usage, which mobile phone companies have always done.

    1. Avatar photo Regorimabitbackward says:

      My argument exactly

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