By: MarkJ - 14 February, 2012 (7:26 AM) - Score: 6342 - Fixed Line Broadband
o2 broadband ukbe broadband uk isp logoCustomers of internet providers Be Broadband and O2 UK appear to have been hit by a serious peering problem that causes intermittent difficulty with gaining access to websites. The issue results in some pages being either incredibly slow or completely failing to come up on the first load (subsequent refresh attempts will often bring the site up).

Unfortunately the difficulties, which appear to have been growing over the past couple of weeks, are nothing new to some of BE and O2's customers. Most recently it seems to have gotten much worse and is now causing quite a bit of frustration among those affected.

Mark Nichols, BE's Head of Marketing, told ISPreview.co.uk:

"We're aware that some of our customers have recently been experiencing slower-than-normal speeds on their broadband service and had difficulty in accessing certain websites.

Over the weekend we resolved an issue with a section of our connection to the LINX peering platform which has made an improvement but we will continue to work on this until all [is] resolved. Customers can monitor the latest network status at our website (BE Network Status) and we're sorry for any inconvenience this is causing until the fault is resolved."

BE's official service status page was updated yesterday afternoon to say: "The issue is caused by [a] piece of equipment which will be replaced as soon as possible". In the meantime BE's unbundled ( LLU ) broadband network, which is also used by O2 UK, will continue to suffer from "latency, slow browsing and packet loss". No firm ETA for a fix has been set.

Last week BE confirmed that it would begin migrating customers over to its new core network by the end of February 2012 (here). The major upgrade, which will not complete until early 2013, is designed to improve the ISPs capacity, resiliency and support new features. Hopefully it won't suffer from the same peering problems as their current platform.

UPDATE 15th Feb 2012

This morning's latest status update from BE suggests that the problem has been identified and should now be fixed.

BE Broadband Status Update

We have received numerous complaints of packet loss and high latency. The issue is caused by a malfunction of one of our core network routers. Engineers are dispatched and dealing with the said equipment. UPDATE: As per the latest information, the faulty equipment will be replaced during the night and the service should be restored back to normal by 2 - 3 AM.

At the time of writing, about 6am, no change to the status has been made (i.e. no word on if this fixed it).

UPDATE 15th Feb 2012 @ 1:40pm

The game of musical chairs that is BE's Service Status page, which frequently switches the problem from being marked as "resolved" to "not resolved" and back again, appears to be continuing. Despite BE's efforts their customers are continuing to report problems and the situation remains on-going.

We've noted that BT's overall satisfaction rating, such as in the recent survey by Which? magazine, has seen some worrying declines of late. Problems that continue on for days, weeks or even months probably aren't going to help reduce O2 and BE's overall level of customer churn.

UPDATE 16th Feb 2012

BE now claims that, as some customers were suggesting awhile ago, the, "issue has been traced to the network of one of our peering providers. A case with them has been raised." Still no solution. Meanwhile, over on the BE Usergroup, some customers have found that the problem can be fixed by swapping between static and dynamic IP addresses.

UPDATE 17th Feb 2012

Customers appear to be reporting that the "the situation with the packet loss is a lot better" (BE's Status Quote), which follows the ISPs attempts yesterday to chase the problem with a peering provider. However the difficulty has still not been completely resolved and remains an open issue.

UPDATE 18th Feb 2012

BE claims to have finally resolved the problem and has even issued a wider public statement to explain a bit more about what has been happening.

BE Statement

Over the course of the last week, there have been a number of problems across the BE network, resulting in significant packet loss for a large number of customers and preventing certain web sites from being accessed.

We apologise for the inconvenience and difficulty this caused. Although we undertook extensive investigations to identify the root cause of the problem, a number of conflicting test results made it difficult to pin point the problem as quickly as we would normally expect.

We can now report that the issues, principally hardware faults, have now been resolved and service across the network has returned to normal levels.

Over the coming days, we’ll be working to better understand how these problems occurred and any lessons we can learn for the future.

Some reports indicate that a few customers might still be suffering from problems, such as when attempting to access the BBC's website. Needless to say that we'll be keeping an eye on this.

UPDATE 1st March 2012

BE has finally admitted what most people already knew, that the BBC problems are related to a lack of capacity and heavy load from customers using iPlayer video streaming.

BE Statement:

"Some BE customers are continuing to experience problems when running BBC’s iPlayer. This is being caused by our link to the [Akamai] network, through which BE customers access BBC’s video services, operating close to capacity during periods of heavy demand. Although we are increasing the capacity of the link to resolve this problem, the earliest date this can be done is end-April.

Obviously, we’ll try and get this done earlier if at all possible, and in the meantime we’re working with other peering platforms to route overflow traffic away from Akamai during peak usage until the upgrade is completed; from the feedback we’ve already received this approach has improved the performance of iPlayer for those customers who’ve been affected."

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Comments: 125

asa logoFresh Prince
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 11:23 AM
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Cue comments from Deduction...
asa logoFibreFred
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 11:27 AM
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No Fresh Prince this is BE not BT... so.. no problems with this for D wink

Although its probably a BT problem
asa logoRobbie
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 1:10 PM
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Thanks for adding this. I spent two days trying to find out what the problem was and no one was reporting anything.

On Sunday I spent an hour on the phone to O2 with them lying to me, wasting my time and taking up my day convinced that the problem was in my home.

I lost a days work thanks to their insistence that the problem was mine alone.

On Monday O2 finally confessed that it's a network problem. In the meantime I lost a day of work trying to fix something that was beyond my control.

This has become unbearable and is affecting my business. I'm supposed to be setting up a VPS with a client and I can't even access the machine.

I'm now looking at switching service to another provider, primarily because O2 lied to me instead of telling me the truth. If they'd admitted it was their problem I wouldn't have wasted the day trying to fix something that I couldn't!
asa logoJools
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 1:19 PM
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Someone needs to send Mr Nichols here so he can see what his customers are experiencing, not what's being spun by people who don't want to share bad news: https://avatar.bethere.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42263&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165

Since Sunday, the issue is *not* intermittent and it is *not* just a performance issue. For many of us our connectivity is virtually unusable. Any kind of streaming or online gaming is impossible. Downloading files of any size over a few KB is almost impossible.

The issue was marked as Resolved on the Status page as of 9am today, but has now been removed, which frankly just adds insult to injury. Twice now that I know of, the issue was marked as resolved without bothering to check with any customers if it was. There are plenty of customers in the forum who are submitting data and are happy to help with testing if Be will just reach out to us.
asa logoDarren
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 1:19 PM
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This has been going on since Thursady for me and now its Tuesday, simply not good enough and then to say on Be Broadband stauts page that the problem was fixed when it wasnt. The lack of Communication has been terrible, i dont blame Be forum staff there just passing information they have received from the Top.
asa logoBW
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 1:27 PM
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Truly apalling service from BE with very little communication other than them saying it is fixed and asking people to test it for them! Last update from BE was 09:55 this morning when they said their network team had been told there was still a problem. Don't they realise it is the lack of communication that is driving people mad.

Amazed this hasn't got wider media coverage to be honest.
asa logoMike
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 1:31 PM
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Guess I'm lucky, not noticed any problems, both streaming and downloading last night was fine.
asa logoTom (drsox)
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 2:41 PM
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The problem only affects some IP addresses, and wirdly.. not every IP address in a mult-static IP users range even on the same DSL line.

The handling and communication about the problem has been poor.
asa logoDeon
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 2:59 PM
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Been like this for five days now and Be have been dragging their heels about it. Appalling.
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 3:08 PM
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BE have had peering and routing issues since the middle of last year, one look at thinkbroadbands BE section shows that along with searching the usergroup pages. Their network is a pile of crud.

Jools hits the nail on the head with their post, BE are full of it, saying things are fixed when they are not. When people complain more they "escalate" things, when it still doesnt get fixed they just say they are working on it with no ETA.

Its even a nightmare at times reporting issues to them and posting any type of data which they request to prove you are not a liar and their network sucks. They have a useless ticket system which at the mention of any symbol like a ; : @ , . < > etc results in it half the time refusing to send your message and complaining you have used java code. That little issue has been reported numerous times also and been going on fo over a year. Fix things Pfffttt.
asa logoMr Slant
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 3:52 PM
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http://status.bememberservices.com/

"We are currently investigating possible latency, slow browsing and packet loss in our network. We will provide an update in a couple of hours.
This is a general outage with no geographical relevance. This is planned work."

Heh planned work after 5 days of this? Spin on lads, spin on.
asa logoLancs Tony
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 4:29 PM
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This problem is very badly affecting me too. As with some of the other posters above, I have been trying to use remote access to other computers but it is chronically slow & frequently disconnects.

I have wasted hours talking to their tech support who only seem to know how to read the same tedious script. Even though I told them I was aware of the issue about & just wanted an update, they still initially denied it was their fault & forced me to go through the pointless 'Try using factory reset on your modem....' routine.

Initially, the guy I spoke to earlier today wouldn't give any estimate for how long it would take to fix, not even to the nearest week/month. Eventually he said in his opinion it should probably only take a day or so, but possibly that was just him being optimistic.
asa logoDarren
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 5:12 PM
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I am seriously on the verge of getting my mac, heres the latest from there Page, 3rd party engineers report fibre has been damaged, we expect specific engineers to arrive on site at approximately 17:30 to repair the damage.
asa logonredwood
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 5:17 PM
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Latest update (don't shoot the messenger!)
The problem has been pinned down to an issue with a core router

The issue is caused by a malfunction of one of our core network routers. Engineers are dispatched and dealing with the said equipment.
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 5:43 PM
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This very specific issue has been going on for over a week, their broken routing/peering in general has been broken on and off for months.

Funny this specific issue is suddenly going to have engineers thrown at it after the problem has been going on for a week and they suddenly have bad press and feeling from several customers.

How nice of them to "TRY" (cos thats all they seem to do) fix something once it hits the pages of an ISP site and several start moaning. What excellent customer service, ignore the people that pay the wages until their is uproar.
LOL... Useless company and have been for over a year.
asa logoDarren
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 5:45 PM
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Yes apologies i was getting the latest info and i saw this was a seperate issue at another exchange, who knows how long it will take, patience is running thin.
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Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 5:49 PM
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Hi Guys,

We're aware of some customers experiencing slow speeds while browsing. The "Network status" tab on our broadband status page acknowledges this issue. http://broadband.o2.co.uk/broadbandstatus/view/

Our technical broadband team is doing everything they can to resolve this as soon as they can. Thanks!
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 6:39 PM
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According to BEs pages its and i quote "Our engineers..." Frankly the thought of them even being let near anything that looks like a cable is scary.
That 02 page is funny i see Thomson router upgrades coming soon also eh? I wonder if BE will also issue updates for those things. Though frankly The best update for that gear and its interface which is slower to load than an old tape based 8bit comtuer is landfill. LOL
asa logoSteve
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 6:44 PM
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Yeah their peering /routing policies are not fit for purpose,either that or they are always overloading their peering bandwidth,sun/mon their excuse was ( we have identified the problem with our some of our equipment, which needs replacing )
Had more than enough of problem after problem with peering /routing, I think their current equipment is falling to bits around them, as for talk about this new network,customers ain't really going to see a benefit from this unless they sort out the peering side of things as any isp is as good as the peering /routing it offers , what we currently have is not good enough
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 6:53 PM
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Indeed, BE are babbling on about transferring people to a new core network in 2012/2013 and their (oh its coming soon honest) *cough* fibre products.
Though frankly if their peering partner LINX is going to remain unchanged so are alot of the routing and peering issues they have had on and off throughout 2011 and now into 2012. Its only now its started affecting 02 and other BE product reseller customers that they have suddenly woken up to the fact their network sucks. Even though a few have told BE that for more than a while.
asa logonredwood
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 7:05 PM
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Deduction

I've seen no reports of it affecting any of the ISP's providing BE Wholesale products but using their own network i.e. A&A, ADSL24, Vivaciti, Xilo, Goscomb, IDNet

Are you able to provide any evidence to back up what you have said above?
asa logoYou
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 8:14 PM
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LINX aren't a "peering partner" it's a layer2 platform, the issue is down to Be, nobody else.
asa logosteve
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 8:37 PM
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Even if the fault is with Linx it's still within be's remit to switch to a different peering company if need be ,so yes it's down to be and that's where the buck stops regardless of where the fault is,
As for the wholesale products they as far as i am aware all the isp's that supply the be wholesale products use their own peering,which is independent to the be retail peering /routing maybe eventheir own backhaul too
So will not see these issues, infact unless an the be kit installed at exchanges failed
asa logoMr Slant
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 9:04 PM
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Sod all to do with LINX, the problems also exist within packetexchange (L3) which is one of Telefonica's upstream suppliers. NB - there's packet loss in the same building but only with the clueless muppets subbed to build Telefonica's "new" network.
asa logonredwood
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 9:18 PM
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Have been suggesting they drop PacketExchange for years wink
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Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 9:50 PM
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who are as6453.net as some of their links are bad , and be don't seem to use any alternative, i would guess maybe their hands are tyed by telefonica on these things ?
asa logoMr Slant
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 10:04 PM
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Bizarrely enough L3 are actually one of the better transit providers now - their peering policy has always sucked, but in terms of transit they're either better than they were or the average has fallen greatly.

I suspect the latter, L3 have never been one of the "good guys" for me re routing.
asa logoMr Slant
Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 10:13 PM
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as6453 is Tata Communications - Indian company now.

You best pray to your gods you never end up with transit from them. I know guys in Australia that just give up trying to do anything when they see tata or as6453 in the trace, all the Aussie telecos are tight in bed with Tata.
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Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 1:13 AM
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Well be use them (as6453) from london >>>newyork>> Montreal canada, i have read plenty of bad things about them,in the gaming world, from frequent lag spikes and high jitter to packet loss on some of the overloaded transit links if you do a constant tracert to this ip 64.86.31.6 you will probably see a problem at least one at this ip 195.219.83.69 , not a good sign if this is down to it being overworked
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 1:42 AM
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quote"Update 14/02/2012 18:21 The faulty equipment is scheduled to be replaced during the night at 2 AM. We will inform you once we have a confirmation that the replacement is successfully completed."

Believe it when i see it, almost 2 weeks this time.
Another patch up job until it all goes wrong again.
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 1:45 AM
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02 are making no such bold claim their status page still reads...
13/02/2012
15:30

Slow Speeds browsing
We currently have users experiencing issues with slow speeds whilst browsing the internet. We are aware of this and are working hard to resolve this issue. We apologise for any inconvenience this may be causing you.

I guess this time tomorrow we will all know if BE are lying AGAIN.
asa logonredwood
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 7:31 AM
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Deduction

Am still waiting to see any evidence this is affecting any ISP's doing BE Wholesale
asa logoMr Slant
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 8:05 AM
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The problem still exists @ 08:05 15 Feb.

Unsurprisingly the status page claims all is well - again.

Iraqi information minister syndrome I think.
asa logoMike
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 8:19 AM
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I'm with a BE Wholesale ISP, can't say I've noticed any problems.
asa logoDarren
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 10:54 AM
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Still not fixed folks thought this morning it would be all sorted but not, ive had enough i think the Be network is falling apart so im off to get my Mac Code cant stand this any longer waited for 5 days.
asa logoLanc Tony
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 11:31 AM
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Still just as bad for me too, it's absolutely ridiculous that they don't really seem to know what is wrong or how to fix it.

I wish it was as simple as just switching ISPs again, since in my personal experience all UK ISPs are pretty bad & it is often like 'Jumping out of the frying pan & into the fire'.
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Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 2:33 PM
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Not convince that they fixed it,or that they actually have any clue what they are doing, the packet loss is still present on the links to the bbc (bbc.net.uk)it started as it has been doing at 8am caused iplayer to give insufficient bandwith message at around the same time, it then reduced to an intermittent low 1-2% then at 13:45 it's back to a constant 15-20% but anytime after 12am it stops, this is down to the peering selecting overloaded links into the bbc , as for other slow loading sites, without monitoring them one by one, i cannot say what the underlying issues are that cause those to load slowly or fail to load,
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Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 4:27 PM
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http://status.bememberservices.com/
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 6:05 PM
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LMAO at their status page......
Update 14/02/2012 18:21 The faulty equipment is scheduled to be replaced during the night at 2 AM. We will inform you once we have a confirmation that the replacement is successfully completed.
Update 15/02/2012 08:18 The faulty equipment is replaced and the service must be back to normal. Please let us know in case you need any assistance.
Update 15/02/2012 08:18 This outage has been marked as resolved.
Update 15/02/2012 08:28 This outage has been marked as not resolved after previously being marked as resolved. (PRICELESS LMFAO)
Update 15/02/2012 08:31 We will be monitoring the network performance to ensure that issue is fully resolved (translation we aint got a clue what to do now).
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 6:12 PM
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quote"Deduction

Am still waiting to see any evidence this is affecting any ISP's doing BE Wholesale "

Im waiting on BE to get any idea about anything network related and you to wake up to the fact they have no clue. Ignorant bliss as a usergroup member i suppose.

In other words, like them can repeat yourself over and over.... The end result is Hot air.
BE customer service follows a simple 3 step plan as follows
1. We have issues...
2. We have fixed the issues.......
3. Opps we have not Fixed Issus.......
Repeat Ad nauseam.
The BE mantra top to bottom in the whole organisation. Nice to see people finally waking up to how dire they are.
asa logoSteve
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 7:40 PM
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Unless their LLU kit fails at exchanges then most if not all of those using BE wholesale products will not see issues that effect o2/be retail customers, As they do not share peering /routing with be retail customers, And most of those if not all of those other ISP's that re sell the wholesale products don't even share the BE backhaul, as they have their own networks so the only thin their using is the BE/O2 DSLAM So very unlikely given the lack of other's who are with other isp's is reporting similar issues,
asa logoMr Slant
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 9:13 PM
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I'd now lay money on it being VLANs/tunnels which are too small for the number of customers being allocated to them.

Be's insanity with allocating IP ranges (addresses won't all be in the same block) has no doubt contributed to this.

The "fix" is to force an IP address change on your router which will get you onto another (uncongested) tunnel. USERS have worked this out, not Be/O2/Telefonica.

The incompetence of the so called "network engineers" beggars belief - or perhaps not as they are apparently outsourced.

tl;dr status message will be changing again tomorrow and another load of customers will be leaving.
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Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 9:14 PM
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Deduction

Still waiting

If I were one of those ISP's I wouldn't be too happy about your unsubstantiated claims
asa logonredwood
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 9:16 PM
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Some workarounds have been found
Whilst not ideal for all, may be an option for some

http://beusergroup.co.uk/?id=825
asa logoMr Slant
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 9:23 PM
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Resellers will be unaffected as their users will be on other tunnels - ie NOT Be/O2 retail tunnels. Simple as that.
asa logonredwood
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 10:24 PM
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@Mr Slant

So simple some seem to be unable grasp this mixedup
asa logosteve
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 10:39 PM
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I have a static ip address i don't intend on changing it and don't really see as i should have to, as it would be an inconvenience to do so, it's their problem not mine, and if they are not competent enough to trace and fix these things, and manage all the aspects within their control, then I'll leave, simple really you could not make this up ,
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 11:18 PM
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quote"If I were one of those ISP's I wouldn't be too happy about your unsubstantiated claims"

I haven't named any other ISPs by name. Seems in addition to admitting BEs network is rubbish you have issues reading also.
Perhaps instead of scurrying around here you could go do something useful and help them fix the problems if you know so much about it.
asa logoMr Slant
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 11:47 PM
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They aren't affected though Deduction - if they were then you can be damn sure Rev K over at AAISP would have it on the status.
asa logoRob
Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 11:56 PM
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Looking at the last update on the Status page, it would appear this peering partner isn't interested in getting issues resolved,May be a change of peering partners is needed,surely they all have engineers on call 24/7 for this sort of thing
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 16 February, 2012 - 12:58 AM
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quote"They aren't affected though Deduction - if they were then you can be damn sure Rev K over at AAISP would have it on the status. "

I never said AAISP or any other ISP by name was affected. Ignore the usergroup member that is living in a shiny, BE is wonderful bubble.

Oh and for those that jumped on the LINX remark, that is certainly part of the problem as someone else has shown elsewhere on TBB with pingplotter.
asa logoMartin Pitt - Aquiss Internet
Posted: 16 February, 2012 - 8:36 AM
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@Deduction
You posted on 14 February, 2012 - 6:53 PM the following:

"Its only now its started affecting 02 and other BE product reseller customers".

Can I point out this is not the case at all. As a BE Wholesale partner (reseller as you call it), we take services over a couple of vLANS. The traffic is placed across these into our own network and therefore does not suffer from your claims that Be reseller customers are all affected too.

I can accept that you had no intention of painting us all in the same light as the Be/O2 retail arms, however your wording, quoted word for word, can easily read as such.
asa logonredwood
Posted: 16 February, 2012 - 12:16 PM
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Thanks Martin for your input

Latest update
Reports coming in that packet loss has subsided after a few seconds loss of connectivity to the gateway

Perhaps someone has finally idenitifed the dodgy VLANs / tunnels and reconfigured
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 16 February, 2012 - 3:43 PM
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quote"@Deduction
You posted on 14 February, 2012 - 6:53 PM the following:

"Its only now its started affecting 02 and other BE product reseller customers".

As stated then, nowhere did i name any other BE seller.

quote"I can accept that you had no intention of painting us all in the same light as the Be/O2 retail arms"

Most definitely not and glad you see that. The help and advice you have offered on this site to people along with your company being much more friendlier than either 02 or BE puts you leaps and bounds above how slow BE are to respond to any issue or treat users.

Oh and the problem most definitely is still NOT fixed.
asa logoRob
Posted: 16 February, 2012 - 4:19 PM
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Perhaps a bit more public exposure bis needed outlining their shortcomings will help them fix it faster, the web site "The Register" would have a field day over something like this lol
Still not fixed as packet loss is still evident they so far have been useless what is it now day 13 and still nowhere near a permanent solution, as for switching ip address i don't think so, and as long as workarounds are common place that lets the isp of the hook
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 16 February, 2012 - 4:44 PM
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Many suffered peering and/or routing issues on BE on and off for half of last year. 13 days believe it or not in the support world of BE is a short period of time for a problem.

Even more amazingly problems on planet BE seem to just vanish and they never inform the customer of what they done to cure them. Except they dont really cure them just patch them up for the same old issues to raise their head a month or so later.

The staff are nothing more than script readers that request you do pings/tracerts even when on their forum you have several people that have done that for neigh on 2 weeks already.

As to switching IPs, totally agree Rob unacceptable solution, (dont they even know how to allocate those properly???) Can only imagine the chaos which is going to ensue when they "ATTEMPT" to switch people over to this new network they keep dribbling on about. Utter clueless shambles.
asa logoRob
Posted: 16 February, 2012 - 4:55 PM
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The bbc is slowing down again,just as the peak time starts to kick in, as most come home from work,kids have had their dinners, and all go online, and the level of packetloss will increase causing pages to load very sllooowllly or fail to load completely,time for pastures new i think, had enough of this shambles of an isp
asa logoRob
Posted: 16 February, 2012 - 5:52 PM
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BBC I Player live stream is non existant content will not load so much for

1,Identifying the underlying causes

2,Resolveing these faults in a timely manner, 13 days and still not resolved, all they have done IMO is blunder their way through this so far,I doubt that any of them really know how to solve this,or the required resources are not being made available by the paymaster telfonica uk

But either way that is not good for their paying customers, even if they announced that all those affected by these issues will automatically compensated in thatfrom when it started to when/if it ever gets fixed they won't be charged for that time, or they may leave penalty free, without having to give notice
asa logoRob
Posted: 16 February, 2012 - 5:54 PM
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That would be a start,and show customers that they are prepared to put them first,
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 16 February, 2012 - 6:16 PM
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I think you are hoping for too much where these jokers are concerned.
asa logoRob
Posted: 16 February, 2012 - 9:06 PM
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Quite possibly but no harm in suggesting what they should do
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Posted: 17 February, 2012 - 1:00 AM
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I cannot belive with the ongoing problems that they did not postpone the so called maintanence to their poxy web site, which also takes out their non public forums, any one with a bit of common would of postoned it,
Looking like their blundering around has created more issues with the bbc packet loss even at this time 01:00,Useless is what they are f***ing useless
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 17 February, 2012 - 1:32 AM
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Oh no doing "maintenance" when everything is buggered to them is the sensible thing to do. Knock out the forums, ticket system and every other means possible to prevent people moaning further about what is probably a simple problem to most ISPs but these clueless tools have no idea how to fix.

In the BE world this is called customer service.

In the real world its called being totally and utterly inept.

This issue will probably drag on until at least the end of the month for some if history is anything to go by. The sad thing is they will probably sponsor another ISPA awards category this year to ensure they win something again. Nothing like greasing wheels with shiny coins ;). Pity they don't spend it on staff that have an idea how to maintain a network. Id call them them muppets but that would be an insult to fleece.
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Posted: 17 February, 2012 - 2:22 PM
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IT just gets worse ,now there call center has gone t*ts up no incoming calls to it,apparently Now i wonder why that is then?
could it be the number of unhappy customers wanting answers that they don't have, first the web site now call center,
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Posted: 17 February, 2012 - 4:22 PM
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LOL irony indeed, seems that file hosing services are suffering also now. Still to be honest its a waste of time calling them anyway, they dont fix issues, and you are lucky if the poor quality overseas call doesnt keep cutting in and out anyway LOL. Pure cack!
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Posted: 17 February, 2012 - 10:07 PM
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Deduction are you with BE* what your stats? BE* network falling to bites I get 6Meg out of my 12Meg package nowhere near the speed.frown
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Posted: 17 February, 2012 - 10:08 PM
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The packet loss issues that are affecting lots of customers still prevail (bbc sites) there may also be others as well, even though their official status reports say all is resolved ,lol
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Posted: 17 February, 2012 - 10:57 PM
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Thanks for the info Rob.
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Posted: 17 February, 2012 - 11:41 PM
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James, just because your package is 12Mb doesn't mean you'd get 12Mb. It depends where you live (Distance from exchange) and other factors too.
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Posted: 18 February, 2012 - 1:33 AM
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They have implemented some form of traffic management. Or the network is still screwed or worse they are throttling.

File hosting sites such as rapidshare are broken.

Accessing a relatives hostgator server space to do a system backup/restore gives stupid slow speeds in the kbs range.

Use a VPN or a C&W Connection i also have and problems go away entirely and full speeds return.

There is also still severe packet loss and you dont even need to do pings or tracrts to see it, thats quite evident just having a skype chat overseas.

Gonna phone them if its not fixed by monday and demand another (oh yeah not my first) month free for a substandard product or further action (again not the first time).

They are utterly incompetent!
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Posted: 18 February, 2012 - 8:19 AM
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Alan oh didn't know that what isp are you with? mixedup
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Posted: 18 February, 2012 - 12:07 PM
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I'm with BE also -- Join us on http://irc.beusergroup.co.uk we will have a look at your line..
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Posted: 18 February, 2012 - 1:43 PM
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Alan what package are you on?
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Posted: 18 February, 2012 - 2:20 PM
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Pro (24Mb), I get 21Mb
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Posted: 18 February, 2012 - 2:27 PM
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Well their seems to be a lot of people seeing packetloss to the bbc which isn't evident when using a non be connection, this i belive is just as wide spread as the other issue ,

Just that they are tryin to play it down by not putting it on their status pages which is should be , some 17 days of it so far and still no news
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Posted: 18 February, 2012 - 3:34 PM
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lucky you Alan do BE* still do 8Meg package.
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Posted: 18 February, 2012 - 3:45 PM
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QUOTE"BE Statement

Over the course of the last week......"

LIARS AGAIN its almost 3 weeks there have been issues for this time.
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Posted: 18 February, 2012 - 3:51 PM
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Deduction what is your adsl stats
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Posted: 18 February, 2012 - 4:36 PM
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I sync around 17-20Mb normally (depend on what i set the SNR to) but right now speed makes little difference with all the packet loss.

Sync speed and throughput when everything is working right James will depend on how far you are from the exchange, if you live a long way away your speed will be slower. I saw your earlier post and 6Mb out of the UPTO 12Mb is normal if you are a distance from the exchange.

I get around 20Mb out of the UPTO 24Mb as im literally only about 5 mins walk from the exchange.

Despite that even when things are working properly my connection in reliability terms with BE is crap, wont hold sync for more than a week most of the time no matter what SNR i set. Ive had BT out to check things more than once and prior providers things would stay synced for months on end. BE are rubbish in terms of reliability plain and simple.
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Posted: 18 February, 2012 - 8:06 PM
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No better access to the BBC, two weeks now. I tried to get my MAC from Be today but that department is shut over the weekend. Roll on Monday morning ....
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Posted: 18 February, 2012 - 8:20 PM
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Well they haven't had anything to say officially about this BBC problem since Friday night, but the 25-40% level of packet loss continues causing havoc with streaming and downloads
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Posted: 18 February, 2012 - 11:01 PM
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Thank you for your help and info Deduction understand more better how adsl works.glee
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Posted: 19 February, 2012 - 12:09 AM
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quote"No better access to the BBC, two weeks now. I tried to get my MAC from Be today but that department is shut over the weekend. Roll on Monday morning .... "

@Trevor That sounds like BS from them also as a MAC has to be generated via a computer system anyway. Wouldnt be shocked if its the retentions department thats shut at weekends and Monday they will attempt to get you to stay with some special offer.

@Danny right you are, cant say im shocked ive experienced their so called support and updates (or lack of them) to issues for some time. Considering moving my BE line to a C&W reseller see they are both with the same company or keeping one with C&W and moving BE one to Sky. Had a year of BEs cack service.

@James No problem glad the simple explanation helped :)
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Posted: 19 February, 2012 - 1:26 AM
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Well i got bored, so i decided to do some testing my self
the route taken to all bbc sites outside the BE network is

bbc-gw0-linx.prt0.thdoe.bbc.co.uk

212.58.238.129 (bbc switch )

132.185.254.145 (bbc switch )

If i continually ping 212.58.238.129 i get zero (0%) loss

but ping 132.185.254.145 and onwards lots of packet loss , so my guess on this is that the problem has to lie at the 1st bbc switch in Bold after linx

Having worked that out the next issue is who's remit is it to fix linx public peering or bbc or BE/Telefonica ? which if down to the latter will go a long way to explain why it's taking so long ,£££££££$$$$$$ ,Another lack of capacity
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Posted: 19 February, 2012 - 1:30 AM
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Sky leaves the Easynet network and joins the BBC
212.58.238.189 bbc switch doesn't appear to use linx unless those first bbc switches routers are linx/bbc equipment but i would bet that their customers aren't getting packet loss to the bbc,
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Posted: 19 February, 2012 - 7:52 PM
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Lol, The plot thickens it seems to be transpiring that the other issue are still present , just that not as many are still being affected, this is because a lot of them probably changed their IP address by spoofing the router MAC address. but this option is only available to those with a dynamic IP if they have a static they would have to get it changed to a dynamic first by tech support,
But the underlying issues are quite possibly still ongoing and where not entirely fixed as reported by blundering be,
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Posted: 19 February, 2012 - 8:26 PM
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There are many who have not changed their IP's and are no longer seeing the general packet loss

There is still a problem with BBC, possibly Rackspace and very few others - certainly not the case of packet loss being seen at the level it was before being fixed on Friday

The BBC and other packet loss issues are still being investigated by tier 3 / netops
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Posted: 20 February, 2012 - 12:12 AM
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The BBC issue is not different apart from there being more I.P's affected since their blundering on Friday in a bid to resolve an issue that affected other destinations or have only resolved part of this problem if anything has actually been resolved, So for many the same issues prevail into yet another week,
Nothing new when you look back to only last year the LINX peering issues that took them months to sort out, After of course their normal delay in acknowledging that there was an issue
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Posted: 20 February, 2012 - 12:58 AM
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The problem isnt fixed at all and is an exact replication of something that happened last year. Pages every now dont load and again need you to click refresh in your browser (or "try again in firefox). File host services stall. Exactly the same as something around mid last year.
Packet loss and latency is sky high on NEARLY any route that touches anything LINX or Telefonica.
They lie saying things are fixed, they lie about how long its been going on....... Just another typical day in the shoddy service which is BE.
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Posted: 20 February, 2012 - 1:06 AM
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Which cyber lockers are you seeing issues with ? RS was a bit iffy the other day , but as i haven't has reason to use any over the past few days I'm unaware of if what is affecting you will also affect me
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Posted: 20 February, 2012 - 1:15 AM
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Telefonica wholesale.net has some of the worst peering going ,that and AS6453.net (Tata having a dam good laugh in your country) comms
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Posted: 20 February, 2012 - 10:44 AM
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Rapidshare is working fine (kinda) for small files (anything under 50Mb) Its still slower than normal though. Any larger files and you can see the packet loss from the moment you attempt to start the download, it hangs for a few seconds then goes at only a few kbps.
Netload is similarly borked, alot of the time i can max out on that and rapidshare, havent even managed 120k from either since the issues.
Webpages randomly refuse to load also, (you have to hit reload/refresh) an issue they had last year for several weeks also which just vanished as sudden as it appeared with no explanation of what was wrong.
Shockingly bad support from them and a shocking service, certainly the worst ISPp ive had in over 12 years.
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Posted: 20 February, 2012 - 10:46 AM
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PS I recommend everyone thats suffered signs up and writes a review on here and elsewhere to voice your disgust.
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Posted: 20 February, 2012 - 12:24 PM
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I've been thinking of leaving BE for a while and i think this has turned the tide for me.

Off to Vivaciti i go wink
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Posted: 20 February, 2012 - 2:30 PM
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Looking like they are ignoring this issue ,hoping that i will just go away, still no public acknowledgement,or any clues as to when they are gonna have this fixed , by them on this
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Posted: 20 February, 2012 - 6:33 PM
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Just been on the members forum, there is one customer saying when they rang the tech support, the person they spoke to denied all knowledge of any issues with the network, and was reading from a script asking if they was using the pile of junk AKA TG585 V7 (BeBox)they class as a router,and said that if they was not using it ,that they could not offer any support???? They are the pits, maybe some real bad press with make them get their finger out and fix stuff oh and provide the service that they expect us to pay for , any ideas on who to report this to , like news papers or web sites?
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Posted: 20 February, 2012 - 9:59 PM
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I just received an update from my seniors that BBC are currently making major network changes on their end which is causing the intermittent packet loss which you are experiencing. Regrettably for the time being no estimation is provided on when the these changes would be completed, but if there is any new information we will update you immediately.

Is the latest buck passing of me think's well tomorrow im going ring the bbc myself and do some digging, because i can smell that brown stuff that comes from a bull a very strong smell too
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Posted: 21 February, 2012 - 3:14 AM
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They deny problems when they cant solve them, they did the same last year with numerous peering and routing related problems.

Oh and if its the BBC how come other sites are affected, the latest that seems to be reported by users being eurogamer.net.

They are LIARS people plain and simple, dont let them get away with it voice your disgust, leave negative reviews on here.

The only way organisations like this learn is when the customer churn stops. Ill be leaving them ASAP, suggest others if possible do the same. Leaving a poor review will also ensure others dont line their pockets by signing up.

BE SUCK, regretted moving to them from day one.
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Posted: 21 February, 2012 - 3:18 AM
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Oh and no idea why BE are insisting people use a TG585v7.......

If you are a new customer dont they get given a TG582n now anyway????????

Just another of their BS excuses to not address issues and keep fleecing the customer.

Im glad others realise how scummy they, their script reading and their network really is.
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Posted: 21 February, 2012 - 4:19 AM
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EUROGAMER.NET & the BBC are connected, they share one replicates the other with levels of packetloss and times that it is not present like now,lol both are packet loss free from my connection and will be until a few hours from now, (04:19)
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Posted: 21 February, 2012 - 4:38 AM
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As they have blamed the BBC for this, why don't you all turn the tables on them and contact bbc watchdog about it, I'm quite sure they will be interested in what be have said, the more that do that the more they will listen
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Posted: 21 February, 2012 - 1:11 PM
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O2 seem to have joined the growing ranks of once good ISP's that have since fallen to a below average service.

Generally once an ISP's standard of service declines it never gets back to its previous standard. It tends to be the time when it is best to look for another ISP
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Posted: 21 February, 2012 - 2:57 PM
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I called Be yesterday and got my MAC code. Today I received a customer satisfaction survey ...shocked
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Posted: 21 February, 2012 - 3:50 PM
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called Be yesterday and got my MAC code. Today I received a customer satisfaction survey
yes they send you one after each time you've contacted them regardless, they don't give the required option to properly describe how well the haven't done, and if you try and enter a lot of txt in the other box it keeps jumping back to the top every time you type, so that it's self don't work properly either,
They are still trying to blame the bbc,lol and they are asking people with these issues to enable the router to respond to incoming icmp requests so that they can pass the ip address to the bbc so that they can do some testing????

I seriously doubt that the bbc would do that, also the return path from the bbc would be different apart from the be/o2 part so who could they see issues, plus eurogamer.net displays a carbon copy off the packet loss and other symptoms
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Posted: 21 February, 2012 - 3:54 PM
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And will 99.9% be caused by the same faulty kit or whatever is responsible AND IT IS NOT DOWN TO THE BBC
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Posted: 21 February, 2012 - 5:07 PM
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quote"As they have blamed the BBC for this, why don't you all turn the tables on them and contact bbc watchdog about it, I'm quite sure they will be interested in what be have said, the more that do that the more they will listen "

Not a bad idea a new series of that should be due soon.

quote"hey are asking people with these issues to enable the router to respond to incoming icmp requests"

More BS from them then because the cack TG58x routers they supply are enabled for ICMP requests by default.

Oh and their survey thing utter joke like their ticket system.
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Posted: 21 February, 2012 - 7:12 PM
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Barstewards asked me to enable mine, which it always has been as i run a tbbqm, then they forced a re sync and i now have a lower sync by nearly 1 mbit downstream and over 70kbps on the upstream, of course apart from my routers logs and routerstats data i can't prove it as they would just deny it, well they can go f... iv'e had enough of their poxy network their crappy peering, and scripted bulgerian support they are a joke of an isp, shame because they where apparently once very good, but they certainly are not anymore
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Posted: 22 February, 2012 - 12:24 AM
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LOL thats why i dont use their cack router or have ICMP enabled. When i had issues last year and reported them it was quite funny to watch them with tcpdump in linux try to repetitively access my line and router.

Something the clueless usergroup BE fans and BE staff denied at the time, something they obviously can and do though as you have also discovered. LIARS top to bottom within that organisation. Dont complain about it on their forums they will ban you for too much truth. LOL
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Posted: 22 February, 2012 - 3:45 AM
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http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/beunlimited/4092258-beo2-packet-loss.html?fpart=11&vc=1
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Posted: 22 February, 2012 - 4:03 AM
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http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/beunlimited/4092258-beo2-packet-loss.html?fpart=11#Post4096229
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Posted: 22 February, 2012 - 3:20 PM
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LOL it didnt make a blind bit of difference LOL
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Posted: 23 February, 2012 - 1:47 PM
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Nothing has changed apart from the outside links to the BBC, but the problem is still evident, still serious amounts of packet loss, So the only other possible cause can be within their own network,which is bot managed properly, or has been saturated by the customer base simply been too big for the demand, be that only limited to certain Vlans areas or whatever, So the level and quality of service customers get is like a postcode lottery ,
Their pricing structure should reflect this too
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Posted: 24 February, 2012 - 1:12 AM
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I hear me their "issues" are featured in webuser magazine, though not seen it myself yet. Apparently BE still have no real comment on the matter apart from insisting things are fixed LOL
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Posted: 24 February, 2012 - 12:27 PM
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I have read that, thing is ,it states that the isp has been forced into making an apology to it's customers, that apology was that and when ? it also says some blurb about a solution being in hand , not seeing any signs of that , I'm with o2 but not for much longer, even though i may be still in a contract, I'm gonna argue that they have breeched the contract by failing to provide a broadband service that is usable, time to complain to Cisas i think
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Posted: 25 February, 2012 - 1:00 AM
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Still having issue's woth slow browsing speeds, have reported it yesterday to BE who admitted some customers on several of their zone's are still having problems, so no it isnt fixed :(
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Posted: 25 February, 2012 - 3:41 AM
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Demand your month free, the issue has been going on for basically a month now, if BE refused to give you your month free do as craig w mentions report the to CISAs.

The pocket is the only way they will learn.
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Posted: 25 February, 2012 - 4:46 PM
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Switched from Be to Sky. Even on DLM its better than Be.

Perhaps O2/Telefonica ought to give up on landline products, they're totally crap in two countries now.
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Posted: 25 February, 2012 - 5:59 PM
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Bethere's services have been woeful lately - i used to be able to watch BBC iPlayer but not anymore. I keep getting insufficient bandwidth. It's a shame how a great company has gradually lost focus in what they previously did well.
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Posted: 26 February, 2012 - 1:15 AM
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Its the people in charge and staff that are mainly to blame. Many years ago they had people with a clue, now they seem to only employ the clueless, script readers, and general inept types.

How great they were several years ago is direct contrast to how dire they perform today.

I note still no real update on the matter and still the BBC and other sites are screwed for some.

I said they were tripe the first day i was connect to them, good to see others now realise it also.
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Posted: 26 February, 2012 - 5:10 PM
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Have the problems with O2 been sorted out yet? I'm toying with the idea of switching to them but don't want to get stuck in a contract if the service is no good!
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Posted: 26 February, 2012 - 11:20 PM
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So lets see over 3 weeks into this crap, after them saying it was a hardware fault ,then the bbc 's fault then the weather then??? mmm, oh i know our equipment again, ever get the feeling that
1 they are going around in circles in a bid to subvert and confuse things,
2, they do not had any clue whatsoever about networks or more importantly how to run one, they are nothing more than muppets

3 they know exactly what the problems are and have done so since the very beginning 3 weeks ago & this is just another ploy in order to buy yet more time, i say don't listen to any more of this bull manure time to vote with the wallets , switch isp now as this will not be the last of this type of thing,look how long it has been going on for , they are a sad excuse for an isp by any standards, but they will no doubt win another ispa award this year
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Posted: 27 February, 2012 - 2:30 AM
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Couldn't say it better myself Rob :)
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Posted: 27 February, 2012 - 2:27 PM
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I had been with Be for over three years and the service was 100% However since their email service screw up a month or two back I started having doubts. Now this BBC (and many other web sites) problem I decided enough was enough. My switch to Zen happened this morning and guess what? I can access ALL web sites again with no delay .. yipee I can even see the BBC no problems.
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Posted: 27 February, 2012 - 3:21 PM
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That will be because the BBC is not the reason why customers of BE/O2 have problems loading web pages,ect , But some of us saw though the tripe that they fed us and know that it lies within their defunct nework,well it would do if they actually owned one
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Posted: 1 March, 2012 - 4:09 PM
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Time to move ISPs sadly, 24Mbit isn't much good if I can't access websites.



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