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Ofcom APPROVE Openreach’s Equinox 2 UK FTTP Broadband Price Cuts UPDATE4

Wednesday, May 24th, 2023 (8:30 am) - Score 8,232
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Ofcom has this morning announced that it will NOT block Openreach’s proposed “Equinox 2” discount scheme for their Fibre-to-the-Premises (FTTP) based broadband ISP products from being introduced, which came after rival networks raised competition concerns over the plans.

Just to recap. Openreach announced in December 2022 that it would introduce another round of wholesale discounts on their full fibre products from 1st April 2023 (here), which would help ISPs on the same network to stay competitive with newer and often cheaper alternative networks (Summary of UK Full Fibre Builds). Lower prices could also boost take-up by consumers and thus aid the move away from copper lines.

NOTE: BT are investing up to £15bn to cover 25 million premises with FTTP by December 2026 (80%+ of the UK). So far, they’ve already completed 10.3 million.

The discounts themselves are not as dramatic as the original Equinox 1 offer, with smaller changes to rentals and some reductions in connection charges. But more than a few rival networks viewed the move as being anti-competitive (here), with CityFibre even going so far as to lodge a Competition Act complaint with the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) and Ofcom (here).

Alternative networks carry a lot of risk due to being in the earliest stages of investment and competitive infrastructure build, although they previously enjoyed a full fibre market where Openreach was traditionally more expensive and less dominant in coverage. This made it easier for AltNets to grow take-up, attract investment and gain support from third-party ISPs to their equivalent wholesale options.

Despite the concerns, Ofcom provisionally ruled in February 2023 that Openreach’s new offer was “not anti-competitive and is consistent with the rules” (here). But in March 2023 the regulator opted to impose a two-month delay on Equinox 2’s implementation after their related consultation resulted in some responses that “raised issues which require further assessment“.

The regulator didn’t provide an example of the “issues” they were talking about, but industry sources did indicate to ISPreview.co.uk that one of them may relate to some possible miscalculations in Ofcom’s last wholesale market review (i.e. ones that could mean the Equinox 2 offer may end up below the costs of an idealised operator). Today, Ofcom finally passed down their judgement (here).

Ofcom’s Statement

Having carefully assessed the range of evidence available to us – including responses to our public consultation – we have decided not to prevent Equinox 2 from being introduced.

In reaching our view, we have considered the impact on:

Citizens and consumers: Our conclusion is that Equinox 2 is consistent with promoting investment in gigabit-capable networks by Openreach and other operators and promoting network-based competition, ultimately delivering better consumer outcomes.

Alternative networks: As a result of Equinox 2, ‘altnets’ are likely to face stronger competition from Openreach. However, we conclude that the conditional terms in the offer do not create a potential barrier to using altnets. Our conclusion is therefore that Equinox 2 is consistent with network-based competition.

Internet service providers (ISPs): We consider that ISPs are likely to benefit from network-based competition. As explained above, we conclude that ISPs will continue to be free to use altnets where they wish to do so.

Openreach: We consider that not preventing Openreach from introducing Equinox 2 allows it to engage in network-based competition, without compromising our objective of promoting investment in gigabit-capable networks.

The regulator added that it has also considered the level of prices under Equinox 2, and concerns among some market participants about Openreach’s practice of discussing and developing discounts with retail ISPs. Having carefully assessed information from providers and altnets, Ofcom added that they “do not have concerns that warrant further investigation at this time“.

However, Openreach has since informed Ofcom that – in response to concerns raised – it plans to make certain commitments regarding its future conduct, including “not having any current plans to change its Equinox 2 rental prices and no intention to initiate further changes until at least 31st March 2026“. This may provide further clarity for altnets and their investors. Ofcom added that they have not relied on those commitments in reaching their conclusions.

An Ofcom spokesperson said:

“Our overriding objective is to bring better broadband to people across the UK, by promoting competitive investment in high-speed networks and making sure there’s a level playing field for all companies.

With this in mind, and based on the evidence available to us, we don’t consider Openreach’s new pricing discounts to be anti-competitive.”

Katie Milligan, Openreach’s Chief Commercial Officer, said:

“This is good news for customers as it means lower prices and long-term certainty – encouraging the switch to faster, more reliable broadband connections. It’s also good news for the UK, as it supports our continued multi-billion-pound investment in upgrading the country’s broadband infrastructure.

We take our legal and regulatory obligations extremely seriously and we’ll continue to compete fairly whilst delivering an unrivalled, nationwide service and choice for customers.”

A Virgin Media (VMO2) spokesperson said:

“Encouraging and supporting investment is crucial if Ofcom is to meet its own strategic priorities to drive fixed network competition at scale. While we’re pleased Ofcom took more time to review these proposals, it must be prepared to act decisively in future to keep BT in check and protect its own long-term objectives. We are now carefully considering this decision.”

The move will no doubt be welcomed by most ISPs that use Openreach’s broadband network, as well as consumers who are now set to enjoy even lower prices, while AltNets may at least be pleased that they won’t necessarily have to worry about a hypothetical Equinox 3 arriving in the near future – despite being otherwise annoyed at the regulator’s overall decision.

On the other hand, AltNets are unlikely to take the incumbent at their word, as that level of trust has yet to be established – particularly after the FT’s controversial interview with BT’s CEO, Philip Jansen, which appeared to warn that their fibre rollout was now an “unstoppable machine” that would ultimately “end in tears” for its rivals. But BT has since argued that Jansen’s comments were taken out of context (here).

UPDATE 9:13am

This is the detail of precisely what commitment’s Openreach’s CEO, Clive Selley, has made to Ofcom and the industry on future pricing.

Openreach’s Commitments

Assuming that Openreach is able to proceed with its Equinox 2 offer, I would put the following statement out to industry to address the concerns that have been expressed:

a) Openreach does not have any current plans to change its Equinox 2 FTTP rental prices once launched and does not intend to initiate any further such changes during this market review cycle (i.e. until 31 March 2026), aside from those changes provided for as part of the Equinox offer itself (e.g., CPI-based price increases);

b) Openreach will, of course, need to consider requests for price changes if they are made by its CP customers and will need to consider its pricing in the event of any material market change. The usual process will be followed in these circumstances, as envisaged in the WFTMR; and

c) In the event that circumstances arise which necessitate a further price review, Openreach commits that it would not propose any new form of conditionality relating to the volume or range of services offered by Openreach in respect of FTTP rental prices, which goes beyond the conditionality already contained in the Equinox offer.

UPDATE 10:08am

We’ve had a comment from the CEO of the Independent Networks Co-operative Association (INCA).

Malcolm Corbett, INCA CEO, said:

“Whilst we are still reviewing Ofcom’s statement in full, INCA is initially disappointed with Ofcom’s decision. Not only do we believe that this outcome will have a negative impact on competition and investment and ultimately consumers, we also believe that Ofcom’s approach to taking this decision was flawed. This initially seems to be an illogical decision based on a questionable process.

Government policy and regulatory decision making now appear to us to be out of sync when it comes to infrastructure competition. We call on government to clarify its Statement of Strategic Priorities to Ofcom to ensure that the regulator is compelled to put issues of infrastructure competition and investment at the heart of its decision-making process.”

UPDATE 11:57am

CityFibre’s boss has added his comment.

Greg Mesch, CEO of CityFibre, said:

“We are disappointed Equinox 2 has been approved and will be undertaking a thorough review of Ofcom’s decision. We are, however, pleased to see Ofcom’s pressure has brought about the end of Equinox, with a commitment from Openreach to make no further changes to its wholesale pricing until April 2026.

We must not forget that while introducing price discounts to bind its wholesale customers and damage emerging competition, BT is at the same time significantly increasing prices for millions of its retail consumers. Ofcom must ensure that competition is effective and sustainable if consumers are to benefit.”

UPDATE 1:17pm

We’ve had some more comments come in.

Ahmed Essam, CEO of Vodafone UK, said:

“As CEO of Vodafone UK, I fully support Openreach’s new full-fibre wholesale pricing proposal, Equinox II.

It will help broadband retailers offer more attractive packages and UK consumers will benefit from good value, choice, and innovation.

But we want to continue offering our most vulnerable customers affordable social tariffs, too. And we can’t do this unless our partners – Openreach, CityFibre, and others – offer a substantially reduced wholesale social tariff.

We hope Ofcom will support us in this request.

Our goal is to make full-fibre easily available and affordable for all customers, including those on benefits, and we believe that by working together, we can build a full-fibre Gigabit UK that is fair for everyone.”

Tom Williams, CEO and Co-Founder of Lit Fibre, said:

“Ofcom’s approval of Openreach’s Equinox 2 scheme is not surprising, but we question whether this will really lead to consumer benefit or just prove to be a margin boost to the large retail ISP’s using Openreach’s network.

Lit Fibre builds its own network and sells services direct to consumers which means we can always provide the best level of service for the best price. Our promise to customers is never to introduce mid-contract price hikes, assuring our customers that they really are getting the best price from the outset.

Our focus on a direct-to-consumer model enables us to put the customer first and deliver exceptional quality service and customer support.”

Tristia Harrison, CEO of TalkTalk, said:

“This decision is good news for consumers, competition, and the ongoing rollout of full fibre. TalkTalk is pleased to be uniquely connecting consumers and businesses to full fibre at scale, through both Openreach, and alternative fibre builders. Today’s decision will mean that full fibre remains affordable, whilst securing roll-out investment and maintaining thriving competition.”

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By Mark Jackson
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65 Responses
  1. Avatar photo Alex says:

    Expecting some balanced, reasonable opinions to appear here…

  2. Avatar photo Obi says:

    Wonder who convinced them, Patrick Drahi? Jokes aside, works with me as long as it’s at least partially passed down to me

    1. Avatar photo Martyn says:

      highly doubt your see anything.

  3. Avatar photo John says:

    Great news, cheaper FTTP for consumers!

    1. Avatar photo John says:

      Not a chance. The only option to get cheap prices is to jump to an altnet with no CPI increases

    2. Avatar photo anonymous says:

      If your local ALTNET can be a**ed to cover your road and not miss it out because there is some small amount of work to do, then yes I agree, good for those who are the easiest of roads to cover by totalling using existing BT infrastructure….

  4. Avatar photo Paul H says:

    Equinox 3 arriving in March 2026, that’s not far away. The Altnets need to start upping their game and getting customers on board.

    1. Mark-Jackson Mark Jackson says:

      Three years is quite far off, especially in a market that changes as rapidly as this one. But agreed that AltNets and related ISPs do need to put more effort into promotion and brand recognition, especially once they start to reach some scale.

    2. Avatar photo anonymous says:

      It’s hard to promote an area by an ALTNET when in reality (some/most) their coverage is so patchy even in an area they claim to be serving. On a road by road basis, roads within meters of each other – one road can get it whilst the other doesn’t; yet the ALTNET will spout dribble in press releases about their roll out in an area…

      Ofcom should, in my opinion, mandate some metrics about coverage meaning that only the most difficult roads are left out where it really does cost too much, else the UK is going to look like a nightmare in terms of patchy coverage and multiple different providers. I don’t know what the metrics would be, but ALTNETS **SHOULD** be expected to do “reasonable” work to ensure as many roads are covered and not this road has it, whilst one a few metres away doesn’t. A *small* amount of duct or 1-2 poles would fix that type of issue.

    3. Avatar photo John says:

      Someone is sour that their home is not passed.

      Rather than trying to bring some version of fascism into broadband with some undefinable unenforceable rule (or if enforceable then would just cause towns to be completely skipped rather than partially built), try getting together with your neighbours, contact the altnet saying there is a lot of demand from the road and then the altnet can make the decision on whether it is economically viable.

      It costs a lot to build new duct and new poles, and people hate poles. What you believe is easy can actually balloon over 5000 to cover a few homes

    4. Avatar photo anonymous says:

      What was incorrect about patchwork where SIMPLE small amounts of work could cover more roads in an area? If you make a fanfare about coverage then cover the area you claim. UK will be a mess in coverage terms. It could even mean BT not covering those missed roads later as they cannot economically cover a bigger area due to the ALTNET being there. But don’t worry as long as you are OK John, right?

    5. Avatar photo anonymous says:

      And as much as it pains me to say it, if it WERE BT doing my area right now, instead of in the future (which they will likely do as 6500+ on the exchange), they would have actually done my road, not skipped roads, especially if they had sent letters out saying it was great news and coming to your address.

    6. Avatar photo John says:

      My argument is that they are not SIMPLE as you believe. It costs a lot to dig and to put up poles and risk angering locals. You have made no contract with anyone and still expect them to service your home at their own risk/loss. You could try my suggestion but instead you just want no one to have coverage because you can’t have it

      I am not okay, my block of flats only has openreach and I am stuck in a 2 year contract

    7. Avatar photo anonymous says:

      What if it was only 1-2 poles, and hidden by vegetation? I agree, most people don’t like LOTS of poles as they should use existing BT poles by default. My example was to carry fibre from one road to the next which is literally a few meters away because there may have been no existing duct between them. I also don’t think digging of roads is viable unless it literally is a few metres of micro trench – some roads (like mine) can be done in vegetation verges as wide verges.

      Yes I feel let down by an ALTNET, BUT nobody registered here because we all got letters from them saying our addresses were going to be covered and for months the online checkers said we were getting it. The houses in my road are more likely to sign up than the houses in the other roads nearby due to home working and demographics.

      I’d rather the ALTNET over BT because its symmetric, but BT may now never do missed roads BECAUSE the ALTNET has rolled out and BT may now say its not economically viable. Prior to the ALTNET, I can say with confidence that BT would have done my road. I can only hope now…

    8. Avatar photo John says:

      Again one single pole can cost 1000 quid. It is not just the cost of the wood but also the dig and then you need to extend the network to connect the pole so that means more digging. Add in a wayleave cost if the pole needs to go on private land or permit cost to the govt. Just because there are plants, it does not make it easier. In fact a single tree can raise costs because tree trimming is needed

      Like I said, gather some neighbors and contact customer service. It’s always a business case of risk vs reward and your home is too risky to stay empty with no customers so you have to prove there is reward

    9. Avatar photo XGS Is On says:

      Is there ducting in your street or direct bury?

      Jeremy Chelot offered to look at this for you. Have you taken him up on the offer?

  5. Avatar photo Ex Telecom Engineer says:

    I don’t think this is a surprise, OFCOM likely paused due to CityFibre’s aggressive stance around litigation and approaching the CMA, although I’m not sure where the CMA comes into this as Telecoms has it’s own regulator in OFCOM.
    Companies like ZEN, Talk and Vodafone came out in support of Equinox 2, so the Altnet’s were short of allies in the industry and were therefore outgunned on many fronts when trying to convince OFCOM.
    It’ll be interesting to watch the reaction’s from the Altnets on this, although I suspect they always knew they were fighting a losing battle. The Altnets should concentrate on building and competing, not crying to the regulator to stifle competition.

    1. Avatar photo Facts says:

      You make the wrong assumption about the people working on the build also working on regulatory action. Hint: they are different people.

  6. Avatar photo Ivor says:

    Good to see sanity continuing to prevail. If the natural monopoly must be competitive for ideological reasons (we wouldn’t tolerate overlap and overbuilds in any other utility). then the competition has to work both ways.

    Knobbling BT to create false competition didn’t work for many before and it wouldn’t have worked this time.

    Eagerly awaiting CityFibre’s response. They usually bang out a classic statement.

    1. Avatar photo Iain says:

      Under Equinox 2, OpenReach gigabit down is £21.30/month + VAT. CityFibre’s wholesale symmetric gigabit service is thought to be £17.50/month + VAT https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/11/numis-report-on-cityfibre-reveals-new-details-of-uk-fttp-broadband-build.html

      So, agreed. CityFibre will complain this isn’t fair, but this gives them room to compete on price (and upload).

    2. Avatar photo Twebeast says:

      Yes, if only telecoms could be more like the natural monopolies of energy, water or rail

  7. Avatar photo Walsallman says:

    What is Equinox 3 arriving in March 2026, that’s not far away?

  8. Avatar photo Ad47uk says:

    I knew Ofcom would agree to this, usless organisation.

    1. Avatar photo K says:

      I see Ofcom agreed to this. Common sense all round. Right?
      Things to do with technology get cheaper its called progression. Well done Ofcom cheaper broadband for the masses. Cant see how this makes Ofcom useless if its saving people money. You must be one of these people that say BT are ripping people off and yet when they reduce their prices you still complain.

    2. Avatar photo Ad47uk says:

      @K, I have nothing against cheaper broadband, but when it means that a large company like Openreach which has an advantage already can lower prices to knock out the competition, then that is a problem. We don’t learn in the U.K, look at sky?

  9. Avatar photo XGS Is On says:

    The commitments Clive Selley has made were enough to take it over the line. Makes sense – further conditionality would’ve been problematic. That was the only real issue here, Openreach abusing market dominance. The pricing itself isn’t an issue.

  10. Avatar photo Batman 2 says:

    Waiting for Cityfibre to go under!!! Can’t be long now. Their biggest ISP’s are the ones campaigning for Openreach and all rest have seemed to have gone under.

    1. Avatar photo XGS Is On says:

      Why are you so keen on CityFibre folding? Competition provided by them and others brought you Equinox 2. Just Openreach and VM we’d all be paying more, way more in the case of those currently using altnets.

    2. Avatar photo Anon says:

      @batman – Cityfibre wholesale pricing is already cheaper than Equinox 2.

    3. Avatar photo Tbc says:

      Ahh yes wishing peoples jobs away.

      Good one

    4. Avatar photo FibreEng says:

      Yet their ISPs favour CityFibre, still 4 quid cheaper for them to provide via them rather than Openreach.

      All vodafone and talktalk orders in CF and Openreach FTTP enabled areas go to CF…

    5. Avatar photo Howard says:

      In my opinion, Cityfibre’s CEO did more damage to his company than Equinox 1 and 2 put together by accidently/on purpose announcing that Cityfibre is for sale after his meeting with Mike Fries.

      Not a wise move in my opinion but I guess CF’s investors had a big part to play in it.

    6. Avatar photo Ad47uk says:

      @Batman 2, Wow, we need more people like you in this country, not. I don’t want any company to go under, even the ones I don’t like because they give people jobs. I don’t like some companies having an unfair advantage, and the government and their cronies allow them to have a more unfair advantage.

  11. Avatar photo Jason says:

    Fantastic news !

  12. Avatar photo A bit grumpy says:

    With all the noise from larger ISPs wanting these discounts and saying it’s right for their customers – will we see them actually being passed on this time? My elderly mum has seen her prices hiked in contract of late while the ISPs continue to pocket the extra margin of equinox 1 and no doubt the same with equinox 2. Hypocrisy is at its finest right in this space! If Ofcom wants to make a difference to consumers, they must ensure those purported to NEED these reductions actually receive them. Utterly pointless otherwise. The fat cats are once again getting richer while the consumers suffer.

    1. Avatar photo K says:

      Just a little bit grumpy!
      One thing is though this will mean openreach can target their 1.8gbit service at the old price of their 900meg service or thereabouts. Progression.

    2. Avatar photo Bob says:

      It will probably get passed on eventually. The alt nets at present are investing heavily but not getting much revenue so they are carrying a lot of debt and interest rates have gone up so the debt is costing them more

  13. Avatar photo Mark says:

    We have got both Openreach and Cityfibre here in our part of Plymouth + Virgin. The alt nets are cheap but not much less than the package we got from BT tbf. Certainly not enough yhe risk of swapping from Openreach to Cityfibre with unknown ISP

    1. Avatar photo Ben says:

      CityFibre has some pretty big ISPs using their network though? (e.g. Vodafone, Zen)

    2. Avatar photo Jason says:

      Exactly why go with an unknown when just stick with a well known company that has a good track record. Maybe when its more established but from the horror stories ive read the customer service from city fibre is shocking

    3. Avatar photo Scott says:


      Your customer service is with the ISP not Cityfibre

    4. Avatar photo Jason says:

      City Fibre vans come to install it ….. Workmanship was provided by them …. Hence the customer service is owned by them unless the issue is with a bill then would be with whoever you choose the service from

    5. Avatar photo John says:

      That’s not how it works Jason.

      Cityfibre install the network but once that’s done it’s very unlikely any issues will occur in that section.

      The ISP you pay is the customer service point. You never ever speak direct to Cityfibre unless face to face while making a repair or doing installation.
      They don’t have a number you can call about your slow broadband. It’s your ISP that does that.

      Your ISP controls your internet connection from the FEX to their LNS, and beyond (in most cases).

      There are some providers that pay Cityfibre to also carry/backhaul their data across the country.
      That’s no different to those same ISP’s over Openreach.
      If they don’t have their own national network already then they need to pay someone else to do it.

      The access network (the Cityfibre/Openreach part) is generally tiny in comparison and the vast majority of issues are out with this access network.

    6. Avatar photo Jason says:

      When there is an issue with the installation you can complain straight to city fibre ….. think your missing the point . Quality of work is the issue

    7. Avatar photo XGS Is On says:

      You aren’t CityFibre’s customer, Jason, and the work they did wasn’t at your request, it was ordered by an ISP. That’s the point they’re making.

      You can of course complain to CityFibre, same as you can to Openreach but both should give the same answer: get your ISP to raise a fault.

      That said this is CityFibre and with the constant advertising they directly send I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re doing their wholesale customers’ job for them in other ways too.

  14. Avatar photo Gordon says:

    Openreach cutting prices and interest rates going up again very soon…

    Not good news for Altnets who are investing heavily, have huge debts and impatient investors breathing down their necks.

    More cut backs, restructuring, redundancies on the way.

    1. Avatar photo speaking the truth says:

      Thats life

  15. Avatar photo Robert H says:

    @Cityfibre/Greg Mesch; Stop complaining about the competition cutting their prices.

    Better you concentrate on getting your marketing team working to make your product more attractive, more competitive.

    I’m sure that would prove to be far more beneficial in the long run.

    Repeatedly complaining about competitors cutting their prices doesn’t send out the right message.

  16. Avatar photo Christopher says:

    Interesting to see that Vodafone and Talk Talk both support Equinox 2 and think it’s good news, even though they both also use the Cityfibre network.

    I bet that hasn’t gone down well with Greg Mesch.

    1. Avatar photo XGS Is On says:

      Why wouldn’t they support it? The less they pay Openreach they lower they can lean on CityFibre to go, and the lower the prices they pay their suppliers the more profit they can make charging customers the same or more than before.

  17. Avatar photo No says:

    Cityfibre will probably be merged with Voda by the end of the year..

    1. Mark-Jackson Mark Jackson says:

      I’d be surprised if they wanted the headache of trying to juggle two major mergers at the same time. I think they’d be more likely to push through the deal with Three first, assuming a deal is reached.

    2. Avatar photo James says:

      Maybe it’s just me but I can’t help feeling it must be pretty unpleasant and stressful working somewhere such as Cityfibre, where there’s already been redundancies and now there’s a constant threat of been bought out/taken over by another bigger company.

      I suppose employee’s just get used to it and take each day as it comes.

    3. Avatar photo Ad47uk says:

      @James, you just get on with it, very few jobs is secure, even mine, it was not that many years ago that we were told the CEO was looking at merging with another company, and where i work would no doubt go, but it did not happen.
      The company I work for is always looking at ways to have less people working there, ways to cut costs, that is why I say I go into work, do my work and come home. I don’t get involved with anything, it is a job.

    4. Avatar photo XGS Is On says:

      The more involved a job is the harder it becomes to just switch it off when you are done for the day, not least because it often involves lots of communication and that can be done from anywhere now.

      Folks both working their way up and trying to keep their place often take work home in one way or another whether actual work, training, whichever.

      Most don’t do this for their health. It’s why they earn what they do.

  18. Avatar photo AJ says:

    James- depends on perspective. I love working for CityFibre, knowing what a difference it has and continues to make to the digital landscape in the UK. Who knows what the future holds but the organisation has already left a legacy

    1. Avatar photo James says:

      Sounds very romantic AJ, but Cityfibre’s legacy won’t help you pay the mortgage if you were made redundant.

    2. Avatar photo P Wilson says:

      @AJ – Come on AJ, get real.

  19. Avatar photo TBC says:

    I think people just tend to get on and do their job properly.

    Ive survived the redundancies and i enjoy working for Cityfibre.

    Im not going to spend the next year stressing about what’s going to happen next.

    No job in this industry is safe Cityfibre or otherwise.

  20. Avatar photo Joanne says:

    Wow, Cityfibre sounds like a beautiful place to work…

    Although I wonder if these posts are comments from lower ranking employees or management level trying to big it up!

  21. Avatar photo Bob says:

    A part of Equinox 2 is ISP;s that take it up will mainly have sell FTTP where it is available
    With the price cuts FTTP should be close to the price of FTTC

  22. Avatar photo AJ says:

    Why get real PJ Wilson? Is it so wrong to be proud of the part ones organisation plays in making life better for people?

    1. Avatar photo P Wilson says:

      @AJ – it’s a job, not a romantic relationship.

      The investors who own Cityfibre don’t care about the difference they’re making to the UK’s digital landscape. They’re not even connected to the UK, they’re foreign investors. Even your CEO is American. They’re only investing for one reason…to make money.

      I’m glad you feel your job is rewarding and you’re doing the UK public a great service, but I also hope you’re not too upset when the rug is suddenly pulled from beneath you.

      Sorry if I sound harsh, I’m just being realistic.

  23. Avatar photo AJ says:

    P Wilson- of course investors are in it to make money. But for everyone else a hell of a lot of time is spent at work so if there is no higher order goal than money then no wonder the UK is miserable and disengaged. When the ‘rug is suddenly pulled’ I am sure I will be treated fairly like others have been by CF in the recent process.

    1. Avatar photo I love you all... says:

      I love my job, I love Cityfibre, I love Greg Mesch and I love the investors.

      If I lose my job and lose my house, I’ll still be happy and proud just knowing I’ve done my bit to help facilitate FTTP connections for some UK households and made their lives better.

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